what ever happened to Anthony Green?

[jce]

Marquette made Tom Crean...depsite what he would lead you to beleive.

It was a mutually beneficial relationship.  Both Crean and MU benefitted quite well.

[MR.HAYWARD]

Marquette84 you state Crean was hamstrung by the media and other coaches that he was leaving and that is why his 2002 and 2003 classes were poor.  yet after he announced to the world he was staying 3 of his next 4 stunk too.  I answered your challnege yet you duck from mine as to why that was?

Bottom line...Crean signed Dwade kudos to him for getting the kid.  Apart from that he was an average coach at best, did not coach very well and recruited quite poorly.  Kudos to him again for his 3 amigos...they saved his job and got him the one at IU.  However his coaching and recruitng were never good enough to get more than 1 NCAA win in his last 5 years or a finish of better than tied for 4th in any conference he we were in.  them is the facts.

[Marquette84]

Marquette84 you state Crean was hamstrung by the media and other coaches that he was leaving and that is why his 2002 and 2003 classes were poor.  yet after he announced to the world he was staying 3 of his next 4 stunk too.  I answered your challnege yet you duck from mine as to why that was?

Bottom line...Crean signed Dwade kudos to him for getting the kid.  Apart from that he was an average coach at best, did not coach very well and recruited quite poorly.  Kudos to him again for his 3 amigos...they saved his job and got him the one at IU.  However his coaching and recruitng were never good enough to get more than 1 NCAA win in his last 5 years or a finish of better than tied for 4th in any conference he we were in.  them is the facts.

I duck from nothing.  I'm just tired of you changing facts to suit your agenda.

First you claim 2003 was a "stinker" class--then you defend it saying that it had a highly rated recruit.

Now, you suggest that Crean could neither recruit nor coach, but soemhow managed to finish among the top 5 in the Big East, and came within one shot of the Sweet 16.

You complain about recruiting, but then attempt to marginalize Mbakwe and Christopherson who were both injured all season.  Never said is the obvious truth--these were both very highly rated players at the time of their commitment. 

2003 and 2004 were influenced by media reports that Crean was going leave soon.  Actions speak louder than words--until Crean had actually stayed for two years, people didn't believe that he was going to. 

THAT is why we've seen recruiting improve each of the past

2005 was an outstanding recruiting class.

2006 was certainly very good w/Hayward.  BTW, its laughable that you diss Cubillan withouth acknowleding that its tough to recruit a quality gaurd to sit on the bench for three years behind James and McNeal. 

2007 was outstanding, with Christopherson and Mbakwae both highly rated players.

2008 was an outstanding recruiting class, with Nick Williams and Tyshawn Taylor.

2009 was already outstanding with Erik Williams verballed, and MU the odds on favorite to land Jamil Wilson.

So the bottom line is that after two rocky years following the final four, MU's recruting has been solid--in fact, had Crean stayed it would have been the 5th straight solid recruiting class. 

[RawdogDX]

Any chance the Mods can mark the threads that are hijacked to talk about Crean

Or just the ones harward has more than 2 posts in.

[bma725]

2007 was outstanding, with Christopherson and Mbakwae both highly rated players.

Christopherson may have been highly rated when he committed as a sophomore, but by the time he signed his letter of intent as a senior he was no longer a top recruit and to call a class outstanding because it included him is laughable.  He didn't make a single top 100 list by any as a Senior, and in most cases he was free falling down the rankings by the time his Junior season started.  His highest ranking was #137 by Van Coleman.  He didn't make Scout's list at all, not even ranked among the top 50 shooting guards.  Rivals didn't rank him in their top 150, nor did he make their position rankings.  ESPN had him as the 28th best Point Guard and #147 overall.  Hoopscoop didn't even have him in their top 300.

Only Mbakwe was a highly rated player in that class. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

Christopherson may have been highly rated when he committed as a sophomore, but by the time he signed his letter of intent as a senior he was no longer a top recruit and to call a class outstanding because it included him is laughable.  He didn't make a single top 100 list by any as a Senior, and in most cases he was free falling down the rankings by the time his Junior season started.  His highest ranking was #137 by Van Coleman.  He didn't make Scout's list at all, not even ranked among the top 50 shooting guards.  Rivals didn't rank him in their top 150, nor did he make their position rankings.  ESPN had him as the 28th best Point Guard and #147 overall.  Hoopscoop didn't even have him in their top 300.

Only Mbakwe was a highly rated player in that class. 

Sounds like the kid we just signed...is he on anyone's list?   

That's always the risk of taking young guys.  They may continue to develop or they may not.  It's a gamble that MU has to take more then other established programs.  Hopefully we get to the point that we can wait but that's probably many years off (assuming many successful years).

[MR.HAYWARD]

marquette 84

you are really silly...really silly  you call the Hazel, chrsitopherson and Mbakwe class "outstanding".  Outstanding for what the Horizon league!!??  Mbakwe was not a concensus top 100 recruit,  Christopherson as Bma stated made 1...that is 1 top 150 list, and after seeing him play he is not a top 300 player.  he will never play at Iowa St.,  hazel is even worse.  By BE standards simply a horrid class, horrid.

2006 was not "certainly very good", yes Hayward is a solid player, quite solid.  Yet our peers sign players like him every year too.  The rest of the class is weak...cubi is barely BE talent, you again make an excuse saying who will sign behind the Big 3, well the top teams in the BE have no problem finding players.  AHHH, you seemed to forget to mention Lawrence Blackledge who was absolutely a D3 player at best. 

last years class was "outstanding" with Williams and Taylor?  seriously Nick Williams is not very good, at least not as good as the other guards being signed in the BE.  Taylor granted a good player yet you are missing part of the point Crean is signing 1 BE caliber player a year in these classes you call "outstanding" !!! it takes 5 to field a team and he is signing 1 BE caliber player a year and where have you discussed the BE caliber big men crean signed during this period?

MArquette 84 you are lost.  Creans last number of classes have absolutely stunk on ice.  the Big 3 have carried this team for 3 going on 4 years.  in fact part of the real tragaedy in all of this is Crean was never able to surround them with big's of any talent.  we will for the 4th year in a row have the worst front court in the BE yet you reeatedly call the recruitng "outstanding"...you are delusional.

[rocky_warrior]

anyone know? 

just recollecting on some of creans most impressive signings...mortensen, Niv, Lott, Bell, christian, chrostopherson, blackledge,..there is a crew that couldnt beat st mary's of the blind. 

Back on topic....based on the fact that you're asking, sounds like he needs a page in the wiki...
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/anthony_green

[Marquette84]

***you are really silly...really silly  you call the Hazel, chrsitopherson and Mbakwe class "outstanding".  Outstanding for what the Horizon league!!??

Last I checked, Minnesota is in the Big 10 and Iowa State in the Big 12.  Just more  skewering the truth to fit your agenda.



***2006 was not "certainly very good", yes Hayward is a solid player, quite solid.  Yet our peers sign players like him every year too.

There are only five other Sophomores on the Big East first or second team, so a player of Hayward's talent is not a common occurence in the league.



***cubi is barely BE talent, you again make an excuse saying who will sign behind the Big 3,

You call it an excuse, but you cannot dispute that starting-quality players do not sign with programs that started a frosh at that position.  You can't get a top 100 player in every position, every season.  Players want to go where there is an opening--not sit on the bench for 3 years.  Using such a recruit of an example of poor recruiting is disingenuous. 

No coach is able to recruit a high quality player one season after a strong freshman performance.  ND didn't bring in a top quality PF the year behind Harangody.  UConn had ZERO top 100 recruits in 2007, becuase 2006 was loaded.



***AHHH, you seemed to forget to mention Lawrence Blackledge who was absolutely a D3 player at best. 


He was a late replacement for Amoroso, and frankly, the last player of size available.

So what would you do?  Just go with an empty seat on the bench? 

Yes, it was a risk to take him, but a very limited risk--we didn't take him over anybody else--he was taken becuase there was a chance that he just might have been better than nobody.

A team cannot have 12 starters. 

***last years class was "outstanding" with Williams and Taylor?  seriously Nick Williams is not very good, at least not as good as the other guards being signed in the BE.

You are factually challenged. 

There are exactly three guards ahead of Williams in the 2008 RSCI.  Three.  Kemba Walker, Mike Rosario and Jason Clark. 

And no team signed a combo like Taylor & Williams together.



***it takes 5 to field a team and he is signing 1 BE caliber player a year and where have you discussed the BE caliber big men crean signed during this period?

Mbakwe.  Erik Williams.  Just because you pretend he's not BE caliber doesn't mean you're right.  In fact, there were only 5 Big East players 6-8 or taller ahead of him in the RSCI.



***we will for the 4th year in a row have the worst front court in the BE yet you reeatedly call the recruitng "outstanding"...you are delusional

Well, fine, have it your way.  With 4 classes in a row that "stunk on ice",  Crean must be one hell of a coach to get these stumbelbums into three straight top 5 finishes in the Big East.