what ever happened to Anthony Green?

[MR.HAYWARD]

anyone know? 

just recollecting on some of creans most impressive signings...mortensen, Niv, Lott, Bell, christian, chrostopherson, blackledge,..there is a crew that couldnt beat st mary's of the blind. 

[bma725]

He ended up at a Prep School in California and still couldn't qualify academically to play college ball after his senior year, so he went to a JUCO in North Dakota.  After that, not sure.  I think someone said he ended up at one of the UW-Whatever schools this year as a junior, but I can't recall which one.

EDIT:  Found Mark Miller's mention of it.  He's at Whitewater. http://www.wissports.net/sports/hoopsb/blog/message.aspx?f=123&id=948127

[🏀]

He ended up at a Prep School in California and still couldn't qualify academically to play college ball after his senior year, so he went to a JUCO in North Dakota.  After that, not sure.  I think someone said he ended up at one of the UW-Whatever schools this year as a junior, but I can't recall which one.

Wow. He was a quality recruit at first.

[4everwarriors]

T-Cubed really knew how to spot 'em. Jumped on Anthony before anyone one else could even sniff around.

[MR.HAYWARD]

yes he was ultimately a real stinker that only tommy naismith could uncover.  I truly beleive that tom crean was tom Creans greatest admirer and i think he really fell into the DWade legend and fell in love and beleived too much his own tale.  The tale of how he discovered some unknown Sid Finch  type... no not even a sid finch, Sid finch was "already great".  he found some player with unmatching socks, shorts pulled up to his underarms and ran around dribbling with two hands and his pockets hanging out with hornrimmed glasses.  Yet by the sheer greatness of Tom crean he developed him into an NBA supertsar in 3 short years.  See this legend only convinced tome Crean of how great Tom crean really was and then he could just sign anyone even of average abilities and he could be or more likely would be the next great MU player. 
In reality, DWade was agreat HS player and bullseye told everyone...he was only rated #2 in illionois becuase he was behind darrius miles who was a lottery pick out of HS.  he partly ended up at MU becuase he was inelible to receive a scholarship a t the BCS schools due to their non qualifier rules.  That was the true story but I really belive Tom Crean so bought into the myth that we ended up signing that absolute list of stinkers and many more that i originally posted.  many national gurus quastioned many of his signings and they proved to be right.   

[ChicosBailBonds]

yes he was ultimately a real stinker that only tommy naismith could uncover.  I truly beleive that tom crean was tom Creans greatest admirer and i think he really fell into the DWade legend and fell in love and beleived too much his own tale.  The tale of how he discovered some unknown Sid Finch  type... no not even a sid finch, Sid finch was "already great".  he found some player with unmatching socks, shorts pulled up to his underarms and ran around dribbling with two hands and his pockets hanging out with hornrimmed glasses.  Yet by the sheer greatness of Tom crean he developed him into an NBA supertsar in 3 short years.  See this legend only convinced tome Crean of how great Tom crean really was and then he could just sign anyone even of average abilities and he could be or more likely would be the next great MU player. 
In reality, DWade was agreat HS player and bullseye told everyone...he was only rated #2 in illionois becuase he was behind darrius miles who was a lottery pick out of HS.  he partly ended up at MU becuase he was inelible to receive a scholarship a t the BCS schools due to their non qualifier rules.  That was the true story but I really belive Tom Crean so bought into the myth that we ended up signing that absolute list of stinkers and many more that i originally posted.  many national gurus quastioned many of his signings and they proved to be right.   

I guess the only thing that matters is what Dwyane Wade feels about his former coach and what he did or didn't do for him.  It seems to me he's made those views quite public.  His is the only opinion that accounts on that particular matter.

[Big Papi]

Yea all those list of stinkers really buried us in the Big East cellar.  Damn that Wade, Blankson, Merrit, DJ, McNeal, Wes, TT, Diener, Novak and everyone else that hasn't been mentioned yet.

yes the guy couldn't recruit a decent big but he was obviously successful in spite of his inability to recruit, coach and teach.    

Every coach hits and misses on recruits.  The key to success is hitting more than missing.  If TC was as bad as some here claim, we would hanging around the DePauls, South Floridas and St. Johns of the conference the last 8 years.  Lets just hope that Buzz has at least as much success as TC did.  

[MR.HAYWARD]

those stinkers are a great part of the reason Mu has won 1 NCAA tournament game by the skin of it's teeth in the last 5 years.  Since Wade crean had 1 good recruiting class and they have led us to that win.  His stinkers led us to miss two straight NCAA's after the Final 4 and would have led us to who knows how amny NIT's after the big 3 graduate.  Thank God Buzz stepped in and signed a great class, it may be too little too late.  As next year we will be so extremely young. We will have 3 seniors 1 being a transfer and 2 Juniors, one being HAzel wow the remnant of another Crean class goin bust and Dwight Buycks who Buzz signed in a scramble to not be a team of mostly Freshman.  2 good classes in 9 years and a wagon full of Non D1 deserving recruits crestes for tremendous volatility in the win column and not many NCAA w's.   That will forever be Creans legacy no matter how much some may choose to deny it.

Oh and by the way Chicos it is not simply Dwade's opinion that matters it also as I stated, Tommy naismith's opinion mattered too.  his opinion that he was the gretest thing ever to the gmae.  Hence Huggins mocking him with the Tommy naismith monicker.  his over inflated ego caused him to sign all those undeserving types with the over inflated opinion that they would be the next D wade.   

oh and by the way how many Big East games did dwade, merrit, Blankson, TT, and Diener play in?    I will say it again if crean could have surrounded the Big 3 with anything better than the worst front court in the BE the last three years we could have some conference hardware and NCAA accomplishments.  but he could not and were it not for the signing of the BIg 3 he probaly would not be at MU anylonger and for sure not at Iu.  2 for 9 dont cut it.

[nola03]

Incredibly childish.

[MuMark]

Somebody needs to let go of the past...............

You'd think Crean was Steve Yoder or something based on some of the posters on this board.

Wow.

[MUBasketball]

Yes, agreed, there are some ridiculous comments being made on this threat.

Going strictly off memory, I can't remember how old Green was when he verballed to MU, but I believe he was a sophomore. I know it was an early commit. That's the risk of extending a scholarship early and getting the verbal. A coaching staff can only project how the kid will further develop. At that point in time, Green was an attractive recruit. Green, like many other basketball recruits, didn't ultimately live up to expectations.

Yes, Crean whiffed on recruits, as you mentioned. He also hit some real home runs.

I'll never forget how excited I was early in his tenure when the team, frankly, wasn't any good and he was able to nab Scott Merritt from Wauwatosa. That was a big get. He quickly assembled a very good team and got this entire program turned around. Crean's 9 year tenure was incredibly successful.

I was talking to somebody about this at the scrimmage this past Friday. Some fans here now wish total failure on Crean that he left. I just don't understand that logic. I'm in my mid-20's, so I started following MU hoops right at the end of Deane's tenure. I remember very well how things were when Crean took over. This program is light years ahead of where it was. The Big East affiliation, The Al, game attendance, etc. We should all be thankful for his contributions over the years.

Having said that, Crean had his faults. I know for sure the mood at The Al is incredibly different since his departure, in a good way. It's no secret I am a huge Buzz supporter, and was from the very beginning. I think he's a rising star in the profession and will do a great job. I also fully supported Crean, and admire what he did for the program. I refuse to bash him now that he left.

[Pakuni]

I'll sleep easy knowing that Buzz Williams will never offer a scholarship to a young man who doesn't have an NBA future.
Lord knows how easy it is to predict the development, growth, character and work ethic of 16-year-old kids.

[jce]

He ended up at a Prep School in California and still couldn't qualify academically to play college ball after his senior year, so he went to a JUCO in North Dakota.  After that, not sure.  I think someone said he ended up at one of the UW-Whatever schools this year as a junior, but I can't recall which one.

EDIT:  Found Mark Miller's mention of it.  He's at Whitewater. http://www.wissports.net/sports/hoopsb/blog/message.aspx?f=123&id=948127

Anthony Green is not on Whitewater's basketball roster.

http://www.uwwsports.com/roster.asp?path=mbball

[4everwarriors]

Somebody needs to let go of the past...............

You'd think Crean was Steve Yoder or something based on some of the posters on this board.

Wow.

No need to insult Yoder here.

[ecompt]

I could care less whether Crean ever wins a game at "It's Indiana," but we shouldn;'t forget where we were when he got here. We're a big-time player in the best conference in the country and have built one of the finest facilities in the nation. I think part of the credit goes to him.

[Nukem2]

I could care less whether Crean ever wins a game at "It's Indiana," but we shouldn;'t forget where we were when he got here. We're a big-time player in the best conference in the country and have built one of the finest facilities in the nation. I think part of the credit goes to him.

Agreed.  Its amazing how short some folks memories are

[MR.HAYWARD]

Marquette made Tom Crean...depsite what he would lead you to beleive.

[Marquette84]

Marquette made Tom Crean...depsite what he would lead you to beleive.

Did Marquette make Bob Dukiet and Mike Deane as well?

[Marquette84]

those stinkers are a great part of the reason Mu has won 1 NCAA tournament game by the skin of it's teeth in the last 5 years.  Since Wade crean had 1 good recruiting class and they have led us to that win.  His stinkers led us to miss two straight NCAA's after the Final 4 and would have led us to who knows how amny NIT's after the big 3 graduate. 

I've posted this before, and to my knowledge you've never offered any type of response. 

The difficulty Crean had recruiting the class of 2003 stemmed largely from the widespread belief--widely popularized in the national media--that MU was a stepping stone program and Crean--having experienced early success--would not be the MU coach for long.

Coming off a successful 2002 season and looking to sign HS senior that would graduate in 2003, there wasn't a HS player, coach, or recruiting guru in the nation who felt that Crean would be around to welcome the player to campus. 

So, do you honestly and truly believe that top ranked HS recruits from the class of 2003 (signing in the fall of 2002) or 2004 felt comfortable that Crean would be coach in the fall of 2003? 

Don't you recall the statements that Bo Ryan was running around making to guys like Brian Butch about how he'd be at Wisconsin when they graduated, implying that Crean was a short timer?

Face the facts--the national media convinced top recruits that MU was a stepping stone for Crean--something that took him 2 down years to live down.  After two down years, Crean was able to land a stellar class with the 3 amigos.

I know you don't like to respond to facts, but this is one that you ignore time after time. 

****Dwight Buycks who Buzz signed in a scramble to not be a team of mostly Freshman. 

Which, of course, would not have been the case if Crean was still here to coach Tyshawn Taylor and Nick Williams.

[Phi Iota Gamma 84]

Any chance the Mods can mark the threads that are hijacked to talk about Crean

[MR.HAYWARD]

Marquette 84..

You post this like you have been stalking me with this question.  I typically reply to any questions/challenges and do not recall ever hearing that excuse before from you.  it is what it is an excuse and contend excuses are for losers. 

Lett's pretend you are correct, if so then why would Dameon Mason sign and he is one of Crean's highest rated recruits? 

After Crean, when he is at his hottest point glowing white hot winning th clair beee trophy coming off a final four and upon the verge of leaving per the other coaches and then makes his intentions known that April that he is staying and signing a huge long term deal does the recruitng not get better?  This hottest coach in the country coming off a final four has between April and novemeber to sign this class Hot hot caoch long term deal he has answered the question and he signs Barro, Amoroso, and KINSELLA!!!!!   Are you serious.  Buzz Williams never coached ateam in his life steps in and in the same amount of time signs 4 kids higher rated than any one of them.  Premise fails there my friend.  He had announced to the world he was staying...proof was in the pudding he stayed when he would have left if he wanted to.  Howland left, Self left...less hot coaches that were rumored to leave left.  and he signs those 3!!! 
now I will give him credit on his next class, but then there he goes again Blackledge, cubillan and Lazar!!  i will give him Lazar but Blackledge was D3 material and Cubi has great heart but is a mid major player who will never start in the BE.  only then to be followed by Mbakwe, Chrsitophersona dn Hazel  My good ness it only gets worse.  I will give him Cubi but how many 11th man 2g's do you need he was not BE material, nor is Hazel - especially given the need for size he is neither BE caliber not has size,  then Mbakwe was a decent recruit but the red flags were there since his freshamn year and was ahuge cgamble.  So his last two clsses were 4 players you could argue should not be getting BE schollies and two solid BE performers. 

Simply poor recruiting any way you cut it even after he announced to the nation that he was staying when he could have left.  Use your excuses of why he could not recruit in 2002 and 2003 what is your excuse there after?  I dont buy it shaky recruitng with way too many flyers before and smae after. 

[Pardner]

Any chance the Mods can mark the threads that are hijacked to talk about Crean

Mods--Robert's Rules point of order:  Can you hijack a thread you start?   

[Pakuni]

Any chance the Mods can mark the threads that are hijacked to talk about Crean

Wouldn't that account for 3/4 of the threads around here?

[MUBasketball]

I know you don't like to respond to facts, but this is one that you ignore time after time. 

****Dwight Buycks who Buzz signed in a scramble to not be a team of mostly Freshman. 

Whoa...hold on a second here. Before I jump all over you, just want to make sure I'm understanding you. Are you saying Buycks was a "scramble" pickup by Buzz??

I hope not...Buycks is a hell of a player.

[Marquette84]

Marquette 84..

You post this like you have been stalking me with this question.  I typically reply to any questions/challenges and do not recall ever hearing that excuse before from you.  it is what it is an excuse and contend excuses are for losers. 

Lett's pretend you are correct, if so then why would Dameon Mason sign and he is one of Crean's highest rated recruits? 

After Crean, when he is at his hottest point glowing white hot winning th clair beee trophy coming off a final four and upon the verge of leaving per the other coaches and then makes his intentions known that April that he is staying and signing a huge long term deal does the recruitng not get better?  This hottest coach in the country coming off a final four has between April and novemeber to sign this class Hot hot caoch long term deal he has answered the question and he signs Barro, Amoroso, and KINSELLA!!!!!   Are you serious.  Buzz Williams never coached ateam in his life steps in and in the same amount of time signs 4 kids higher rated than any one of them.  Premise fails there my friend.  He had announced to the world he was staying...proof was in the pudding he stayed when he would have left if he wanted to.  Howland left, Self left...less hot coaches that were rumored to leave left.  and he signs those 3!!! 
now I will give him credit on his next class, but then there he goes again Blackledge, cubillan and Lazar!!  i will give him Lazar but Blackledge was D3 material and Cubi has great heart but is a mid major player who will never start in the BE.  only then to be followed by Mbakwe, Chrsitophersona dn Hazel  My good ness it only gets worse.  I will give him Cubi but how many 11th man 2g's do you need he was not BE material, nor is Hazel - especially given the need for size he is neither BE caliber not has size,  then Mbakwe was a decent recruit but the red flags were there since his freshamn year and was ahuge cgamble.  So his last two clsses were 4 players you could argue should not be getting BE schollies and two solid BE performers. 

Simply poor recruiting any way you cut it even after he announced to the nation that he was staying when he could have left.  Use your excuses of why he could not recruit in 2002 and 2003 what is your excuse there after?  I dont buy it shaky recruitng with way too many flyers before and smae after. 

I thought you claimed that the 2003 class was a "stinker."  Now you say it has one of Crean's highest rated recruits.
I guess you're simply going to take both sides in order to be disagreeable.  

Next I guess you'll argue that you truly believe that long-term contracts mean coaches never leave for other jobs.  

Oh, wait, you already did.

  

[jce]

Marquette made Tom Crean...depsite what he would lead you to beleive.

It was a mutually beneficial relationship.  Both Crean and MU benefitted quite well.

[MR.HAYWARD]

Marquette84 you state Crean was hamstrung by the media and other coaches that he was leaving and that is why his 2002 and 2003 classes were poor.  yet after he announced to the world he was staying 3 of his next 4 stunk too.  I answered your challnege yet you duck from mine as to why that was?

Bottom line...Crean signed Dwade kudos to him for getting the kid.  Apart from that he was an average coach at best, did not coach very well and recruited quite poorly.  Kudos to him again for his 3 amigos...they saved his job and got him the one at IU.  However his coaching and recruitng were never good enough to get more than 1 NCAA win in his last 5 years or a finish of better than tied for 4th in any conference he we were in.  them is the facts.

[Marquette84]

Marquette84 you state Crean was hamstrung by the media and other coaches that he was leaving and that is why his 2002 and 2003 classes were poor.  yet after he announced to the world he was staying 3 of his next 4 stunk too.  I answered your challnege yet you duck from mine as to why that was?

Bottom line...Crean signed Dwade kudos to him for getting the kid.  Apart from that he was an average coach at best, did not coach very well and recruited quite poorly.  Kudos to him again for his 3 amigos...they saved his job and got him the one at IU.  However his coaching and recruitng were never good enough to get more than 1 NCAA win in his last 5 years or a finish of better than tied for 4th in any conference he we were in.  them is the facts.

I duck from nothing.  I'm just tired of you changing facts to suit your agenda.

First you claim 2003 was a "stinker" class--then you defend it saying that it had a highly rated recruit.

Now, you suggest that Crean could neither recruit nor coach, but soemhow managed to finish among the top 5 in the Big East, and came within one shot of the Sweet 16.

You complain about recruiting, but then attempt to marginalize Mbakwe and Christopherson who were both injured all season.  Never said is the obvious truth--these were both very highly rated players at the time of their commitment. 

2003 and 2004 were influenced by media reports that Crean was going leave soon.  Actions speak louder than words--until Crean had actually stayed for two years, people didn't believe that he was going to. 

THAT is why we've seen recruiting improve each of the past

2005 was an outstanding recruiting class.

2006 was certainly very good w/Hayward.  BTW, its laughable that you diss Cubillan withouth acknowleding that its tough to recruit a quality gaurd to sit on the bench for three years behind James and McNeal. 

2007 was outstanding, with Christopherson and Mbakwae both highly rated players.

2008 was an outstanding recruiting class, with Nick Williams and Tyshawn Taylor.

2009 was already outstanding with Erik Williams verballed, and MU the odds on favorite to land Jamil Wilson.

So the bottom line is that after two rocky years following the final four, MU's recruting has been solid--in fact, had Crean stayed it would have been the 5th straight solid recruiting class. 

[RawdogDX]

Any chance the Mods can mark the threads that are hijacked to talk about Crean

Or just the ones harward has more than 2 posts in.

[bma725]

2007 was outstanding, with Christopherson and Mbakwae both highly rated players.

Christopherson may have been highly rated when he committed as a sophomore, but by the time he signed his letter of intent as a senior he was no longer a top recruit and to call a class outstanding because it included him is laughable.  He didn't make a single top 100 list by any as a Senior, and in most cases he was free falling down the rankings by the time his Junior season started.  His highest ranking was #137 by Van Coleman.  He didn't make Scout's list at all, not even ranked among the top 50 shooting guards.  Rivals didn't rank him in their top 150, nor did he make their position rankings.  ESPN had him as the 28th best Point Guard and #147 overall.  Hoopscoop didn't even have him in their top 300.

Only Mbakwe was a highly rated player in that class. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

Christopherson may have been highly rated when he committed as a sophomore, but by the time he signed his letter of intent as a senior he was no longer a top recruit and to call a class outstanding because it included him is laughable.  He didn't make a single top 100 list by any as a Senior, and in most cases he was free falling down the rankings by the time his Junior season started.  His highest ranking was #137 by Van Coleman.  He didn't make Scout's list at all, not even ranked among the top 50 shooting guards.  Rivals didn't rank him in their top 150, nor did he make their position rankings.  ESPN had him as the 28th best Point Guard and #147 overall.  Hoopscoop didn't even have him in their top 300.

Only Mbakwe was a highly rated player in that class. 

Sounds like the kid we just signed...is he on anyone's list?   

That's always the risk of taking young guys.  They may continue to develop or they may not.  It's a gamble that MU has to take more then other established programs.  Hopefully we get to the point that we can wait but that's probably many years off (assuming many successful years).

[MR.HAYWARD]

marquette 84

you are really silly...really silly  you call the Hazel, chrsitopherson and Mbakwe class "outstanding".  Outstanding for what the Horizon league!!??  Mbakwe was not a concensus top 100 recruit,  Christopherson as Bma stated made 1...that is 1 top 150 list, and after seeing him play he is not a top 300 player.  he will never play at Iowa St.,  hazel is even worse.  By BE standards simply a horrid class, horrid.

2006 was not "certainly very good", yes Hayward is a solid player, quite solid.  Yet our peers sign players like him every year too.  The rest of the class is weak...cubi is barely BE talent, you again make an excuse saying who will sign behind the Big 3, well the top teams in the BE have no problem finding players.  AHHH, you seemed to forget to mention Lawrence Blackledge who was absolutely a D3 player at best. 

last years class was "outstanding" with Williams and Taylor?  seriously Nick Williams is not very good, at least not as good as the other guards being signed in the BE.  Taylor granted a good player yet you are missing part of the point Crean is signing 1 BE caliber player a year in these classes you call "outstanding" !!! it takes 5 to field a team and he is signing 1 BE caliber player a year and where have you discussed the BE caliber big men crean signed during this period?

MArquette 84 you are lost.  Creans last number of classes have absolutely stunk on ice.  the Big 3 have carried this team for 3 going on 4 years.  in fact part of the real tragaedy in all of this is Crean was never able to surround them with big's of any talent.  we will for the 4th year in a row have the worst front court in the BE yet you reeatedly call the recruitng "outstanding"...you are delusional.

[rocky_warrior]

anyone know? 

just recollecting on some of creans most impressive signings...mortensen, Niv, Lott, Bell, christian, chrostopherson, blackledge,..there is a crew that couldnt beat st mary's of the blind. 

Back on topic....based on the fact that you're asking, sounds like he needs a page in the wiki...
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/anthony_green

[Marquette84]

***you are really silly...really silly  you call the Hazel, chrsitopherson and Mbakwe class "outstanding".  Outstanding for what the Horizon league!!??

Last I checked, Minnesota is in the Big 10 and Iowa State in the Big 12.  Just more  skewering the truth to fit your agenda.



***2006 was not "certainly very good", yes Hayward is a solid player, quite solid.  Yet our peers sign players like him every year too.

There are only five other Sophomores on the Big East first or second team, so a player of Hayward's talent is not a common occurence in the league.



***cubi is barely BE talent, you again make an excuse saying who will sign behind the Big 3,

You call it an excuse, but you cannot dispute that starting-quality players do not sign with programs that started a frosh at that position.  You can't get a top 100 player in every position, every season.  Players want to go where there is an opening--not sit on the bench for 3 years.  Using such a recruit of an example of poor recruiting is disingenuous. 

No coach is able to recruit a high quality player one season after a strong freshman performance.  ND didn't bring in a top quality PF the year behind Harangody.  UConn had ZERO top 100 recruits in 2007, becuase 2006 was loaded.



***AHHH, you seemed to forget to mention Lawrence Blackledge who was absolutely a D3 player at best. 


He was a late replacement for Amoroso, and frankly, the last player of size available.

So what would you do?  Just go with an empty seat on the bench? 

Yes, it was a risk to take him, but a very limited risk--we didn't take him over anybody else--he was taken becuase there was a chance that he just might have been better than nobody.

A team cannot have 12 starters. 

***last years class was "outstanding" with Williams and Taylor?  seriously Nick Williams is not very good, at least not as good as the other guards being signed in the BE.

You are factually challenged. 

There are exactly three guards ahead of Williams in the 2008 RSCI.  Three.  Kemba Walker, Mike Rosario and Jason Clark. 

And no team signed a combo like Taylor & Williams together.



***it takes 5 to field a team and he is signing 1 BE caliber player a year and where have you discussed the BE caliber big men crean signed during this period?

Mbakwe.  Erik Williams.  Just because you pretend he's not BE caliber doesn't mean you're right.  In fact, there were only 5 Big East players 6-8 or taller ahead of him in the RSCI.



***we will for the 4th year in a row have the worst front court in the BE yet you reeatedly call the recruitng "outstanding"...you are delusional

Well, fine, have it your way.  With 4 classes in a row that "stunk on ice",  Crean must be one hell of a coach to get these stumbelbums into three straight top 5 finishes in the Big East.