Doc Rivers future at MU

[THEGYMBAR]

Rawdog---A CEO, Board of Director or company is supposed to do what is best for the organization. You have a responsibility to employees, shareholders or other partners. It is not what is best for you, but what is best for the organization. Fortunately I am not in position to need PR in the press for employee relations.
FYI---If you had a key employee you wanted to keep it would also be that you believe his current position is better opportunity than the new position. TC's ego aside MU is a better opportunity because he probably never would be fired. IU could fire him.

Harvey---Thanks for restating my position. Actually MU ball is the meal ticket, ask Terri Mitchell. The mens ball team pays for every other sport. Without football generating revenue it is THE MEAL TICKET.

[Pakuni]

This is not a friend/ co-worker situation. Doc has position of authority and a responsibilty to use that power in MU's interest. I would never want one of my key employee's helping out another co-worker on making a career change. If one did he/she would be fired or demoted on the spot.

Doc Rivers is not an employee, key or otherwise, of Marquette University. If anything, he's the administration's boss (technically, though not likely practically), not the other way around.

[Pakuni]

If the CEO of a company confided to a member of that company's Board of Directors that he has been contacted about another position, it is the responsibility of that board member to report it to the rest of the board.

What is you basis for that claim?

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

GYMBAR is doing a poor job of explaining his position, but I believe he has a point.

If the CEO of a company confided to a member of that company's Board of Directors that he has been contacted about another position, it is the responsibility of that board member to report it to the rest of the board. Crean was, in effect, the CEO of Marquette basketball.

I will disagree that Crean was the "meal ticket" as GYMBAR claims. He was feeding at the trough, but he was no meal ticket.

I see what your point is... but there is no way knowing how long Doc knew before Crean accepted. It might have been 24hrs or less... and it certainly isn't weeks.

[THEGYMBAR]

2002MUalum, weeks, days, hours or minutes...who cares? If Doc and BOT wanted TC they fight like IU did to get him. They never knew they were in fight, except for Doc Rivers. IU gave TC a time deadline and MU had no chance to fight for THEIR man.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

2002MUalum, weeks, days, hours or minutes...who cares? If Doc and BOT wanted TC they fight like IU did to get him. They never knew they were in fight, except for Doc Rivers. IU gave TC a time deadline and MU had no chance to fight for THEIR man.

I see what you are getting at... but I really think you're grasping at straws. First, you brought up Jerimiah, then you brought up Doc's relationship with Crean, now it's all about the timing.

I mean, Doc seems to have a good rep at MU (for many years)... and I'm not sure that this situation really makes him the villain that you are making him out to be.

[Litehouse]

2002MUalum, weeks, days, hours or minutes...who cares? If Doc and BOT wanted TC they fight like IU did to get him. They never knew they were in fight, except for Doc Rivers. IU gave TC a time deadline and MU had no chance to fight for THEIR man.

This is my biggest problem with this issue, the BoT is entrusted to look out for the best interests of the university.  IF MU wanted to keep Crean, they could have done something about it if they knew earlier, instead of being caught completely off guard.  MU could have counter-offerred or done more to look out for their best interests.

However, if MU didn't want to keep Crean at that price and was fine letting him walk for $2.3M, then that's another story.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

This is my biggest problem with this issue, the BoT is entrusted to look out for the best interests of the university.  IF MU wanted to keep Crean, they could have done something about it if they knew earlier, instead of being caught completely off guard.  MU could have counter-offerred or done more to look out for their best interests.

However, if MU didn't want to keep Crean at that price and was fine letting him walk for $2.3M, then that's another story.

I would agree if a week went by... but there is no way to know.

It could have been a couple of hours.

Hell, Crean could've talked to Doc minutes before he called Cottingham/Wild.

No way to know what the timing was... so no way to know how much responsibility Doc has.

Also, let's play this out:

If Crean asked Doc for advice in confidence... and then Doc tells the board... and then the board tries to get Crean to stay...

Would Crean want to stay after he has been betrayed by a friend on the board? Crean didn't tell MU before he accepted the position because it's obvious he didn't want a counter-offer... and now Doc would be the one responsible creating a bidding/negotiation situation.

Is that really going to make Crean want to come back to MU?

Probably not.

[THEGYMBAR]

2002MUalum....Again the responsibility of being a Trustee trumps an act of confidence. If you want to be an advisor to a friend do not be a Trustee.

[Tugg Speedman]

GYMBAR is doing a poor job of explaining his position, but I believe he has a point.

If the CEO of a company confided to a member of that company's Board of Directors that he has been contacted about another position, it is the responsibility of that board member to report it to the rest of the board. Crean was, in effect, the CEO of Marquette basketball.

I will disagree that Crean was the "meal ticket" as GYMBAR claims. He was feeding at the trough, but he was no meal ticket.

Again, show me the proof that Doc new in advance about Crean's move to IU?

[ZiggysFryBoy]

wow.  I thought that I got dumber from reading some of the cubs/brewers pissing match, but this thread definately has lowered my braincell count.

[jce]

2002MUalum....Again the responsibility of being a Trustee trumps an act of confidence. If you want to be an advisor to a friend do not be a Trustee.

If this is how the conversation went, I have no problem:

TC: Hey Doc, can I talk to you about something in confidence?
Doc: Sure...go ahead.
TC: Well, I have been offered the job at IU...(blah, blah, blah)
Doc:  Well, go with your heart.  When are you going to let people know?  Because I am on the BOT
TC:  As soon as I get the official offer, I will talk to Cottingham and Wild
Doc: No problem

[4everwarriors]

wow.  I thought that I got dumber from reading some of the cubs/brewers pissing match, but this thread definately has lowered my braincell count.

So you're saying it can go lower?

[Wareagle]

So you're saying it can go lower?

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[rocky_warrior]

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[Canned Goods n Ammo]

2002MUalum....Again the responsibility of being a Trustee trumps an act of confidence. If you want to be an advisor to a friend do not be a Trustee.

I guess that's fair... but you implied that if Doc had told the board that they could have tried to get Crean to stay.

I'd argue that Doc telling the board would've pushed Crean further away.

In any case, this debate has run it's course, and we can agree to disagree.

Best of luck to Doc in Boston, best of luck to Crean at IU.