Buzz's recruiting

[jt92]

Time out!!!

Where is all this evidence that Buzz can recruit?  I'm sick of hearing it.  You have to recruit someone first before you can call him a great recruiter.  I think this is all wishful thinking!!! 

I'm supporting the guy but I want to see results not talk of a reputation!

[Pakuni]

Time out!!!

Where is all this evidence that Buzz can recruit?  I'm sick of hearing it.  You have to recruit someone first before you can call him a great recruiter.  I think this is all wishful thinking!!! 

I'm supporting the guy but I want to see results not talk of a reputation!

Within a matter of months of his arrival in Milwaukee, he landed MU's first top 50 recruit since Dominic James.

He landed Top 15 recruit/future lottery pick DeAndre Jordan and most of the starters on this year's 25-win Texas A&M team. Also two starters and the top reserve on the 2007 Sweet Sixteen team.

He landed most of the players on Colorado State's only NCAA tournament team in about two decades.

He landed a top 50 class at the University of New Orleans, post-Katrina.

But other than that, you're right. There's no evidence he can recruit.

[Norm]

Pakuni,

Can you point to the ranking service that listed Buzz's New Orleans recruiting class in the top 50?

[Pakuni]

Pakuni,

Can you point to the ranking service that listed Buzz's New Orleans recruiting class in the top 50?

Hoop Scoop.

[77ncaachamps]

Pakuni,

Can you point to the ranking service that listed Buzz's New Orleans recruiting class in the top 50?

Hoop Scoop.

Which is a HUGE accomplishment because, well...no intended disrespect, but it's the UNIVERSITY of NEW ORLEANS!

[rocky_warrior]

Pakuni,

Can you point to the ranking service that listed Buzz's New Orleans recruiting class in the top 50?

It's #51 (6 way tie) here on hoop scoop:
http://www.hoopscooponline.com/members/toprecruitingclasses-classof2007.asp

And here's the UNO press release:
http://www.unoprivateers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=86678&SPID=10255&DB_OEM_ID=16700&ATCLID=884161

You might also note that our class with Trevor Mbakwe, Scott Christophersen, Patrick Hazel, and including Damien Saunders was only ranked 94th.

[Norm]

Actually, since the signing of the Three Amigos, MU's recruiting hasn't come close to keeping up with the top programs in the Big East. Hope this doesn't hurt us after next year.

[Coobeys Oil Depot]

Pakuni,

Can you point to the ranking service that listed Buzz's New Orleans recruiting class in the top 50?

Hoop Scoop.

Isn't that the service that is derided as "Poop Scoop" because the rankings are based more on the pile of recruits you have rather then the quality of recruits you have?

[rocky_warrior]

Isn't that the service that is derided as "Poop Scoop" because the rankings are based more on the pile of recruits you have rather then the quality of recruits you have?

They use a simple multiplier for each recruit, and then add all the recruits up to get a total.  So yes, to some extent a larger pile of recruits will get more points.  But 3 3-star recruits is better than 7 1-star recruits - so it's not *all* about the pile.

On our rating 1-10 rating scale a top five player nationally is worth 10 points, a top 10 player nationally is worth nine points, a player in the 11-40 range nationally is worth eight points, a player in the 41-70 range nationally is worth six points, a player in the 71-100 range nationally is worth four points, a player in the 101-300 range nationally is worth three points, a player in the 301-1000 range nationally is worth two points, and anybody not ranked among the top 1000 gets one point.  Junior college and prep school are factored in as if they were the equivalent of a high school senior

[Pakuni]

Pakuni,

Can you point to the ranking service that listed Buzz's New Orleans recruiting class in the top 50?

Hoop Scoop.

Isn't that the service that is derided as "Poop Scoop" because the rankings are based more on the pile of recruits you have rather then the quality of recruits you have?

Hoop Scoop sets its rankings based on a formula that takes into account quantity as well as quantity. For example, a school that lands four recruits in the top 75 to 100 range would get 16 points, i.e. four for each player. That class, by Hoop Scoop's formula, would receive a better ranking than that of a school that lands their #7 player (10 points) and the #156 player (three points).
Is it the best way of looking at things? Beats me.

Keep trying to minimize anything positive Buzz has accomplished while saying he deserves "flak" for Tyshawn Taylor's decision. Obviously recruiting good players to UNO was easy with its fantastic facilities and post-Katrina atmosphere.

[Coobeys Oil Depot]

Pakuni,

Can you point to the ranking service that listed Buzz's New Orleans recruiting class in the top 50?

Hoop Scoop.

Isn't that the service that is derided as "Poop Scoop" because the rankings are based more on the pile of recruits you have rather then the quality of recruits you have?

Keep trying to minimize anything positive Buzz has accomplished while saying he deserves "flak" for Tyshawn Taylor's decision. Obviously recruiting good players to UNO was easy with its fantastic facilities and post-Katrina atmosphere.

All I asked was about the service you mentioned. I think you need to lower the lever from "Attack" to "Aware" Mr. Guard Dog.

Besides, I gave Buzz a compliment in another thread. And, yes, we all have our own opinions and considering Taylor said he had a better relationship with Buzz then Crean I don't think it was out of the question to hope for a  continued pledge.

[RJax55]

Pakuni,

Can you point to the ranking service that listed Buzz's New Orleans recruiting class in the top 50?

Hoop Scoop.

Isn't that the service that is derided as "Poop Scoop" because the rankings are based more on the pile of recruits you have rather then the quality of recruits you have?

Keep trying to minimize anything positive Buzz has accomplished while saying he deserves "flak" for Tyshawn Taylor's decision. Obviously recruiting good players to UNO was easy with its fantastic facilities and post-Katrina atmosphere.

And, yes, we all have our own opinions and considering Taylor said he had a better relationship with Buzz then Crean I don't think it was out of the question to hope for a  continued pledge.

Coobeys - I don't think it is fair to criticize Buzz for failing to regain Taylor. Although Taylor may have had a better personal relationship with Buzz, the only relationship that mattered in his recruitment was the one between Hurley and Tom Crean. Taylor didn't commit to MU because of Buzz, perhaps not even because of a personal connection he made with TC .... I believe he committed to MU because Coach Hurley told him that this was the best situation and system for him.

In addition, how long did TT know Buzz. Buzz came to MU in July and Taylor wasn't a MU priority until after Shumpert made his decision in October. Although Buzz was the main contact for TT when he took his official visit, after Taylor committed, we don't know how much contact the two had. In the end, his decision to come to MU was a product of the relationship that Crean built with Hurley .... Not due to any bond he formed with Buzz.

[Pakuni]

Besides, I gave Buzz a compliment in another thread. And, yes, we all have our own opinions and considering Taylor said he had a better relationship with Buzz then Crean I don't think it was out of the question to hope for a  continued pledge.

Isn't it apparent by now that Buzz's relationship with Taylor, whatever that may be, isn't what matters here?