Not a great day for Luigi

[Lennys Tap]

What's your source for smoking percentages?

What was yours when you claimed Europeans smoked much more?

[jesmu84]

What was yours when you claimed Europeans smoked much more?

11% in the US from 2023 CDC report based on 2022 data

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhis/earlyrelease/earlyrelease202304.pdf

24% in Europe according to EU Commission survey

https://www.euronews.com/health/2024/07/16/nearly-a-quarter-of-the-eu-population-still-smokes-according-to-new-research#:~:text=Nearly%20a%20quarter%20(24%20per,European%20coalition%20Smoke%20Free%20Partnership.

[The Sultan]

What was yours when you claimed Europeans smoked much more?

11% in the US from 2023 CDC report based on 2022 data

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhis/earlyrelease/earlyrelease202304.pdf

24% in Europe according to EU Commission survey

https://www.euronews.com/health/2024/07/16/nearly-a-quarter-of-the-eu-population-still-smokes-according-to-new-research#:~:text=Nearly%20a%20quarter%20(24%20per,European%20coalition%20Smoke%20Free%20Partnership.

LOLOLOLOLOL....

[Lennys Tap]

11% in the US from 2023 CDC report based on 2022 data

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhis/earlyrelease/earlyrelease202304.pdf

24% in Europe according to EU Commission survey

https://www.euronews.com/health/2024/07/16/nearly-a-quarter-of-the-eu-population-still-smokes-according-to-new-research#:~:text=Nearly%20a%20quarter%20(24%20per,European%20coalition%20Smoke%20Free%20Partnership.

Are Hoyle's numbers from the CDC re the US so much higher because it includes people who vape? Or is there a different reason?

And how do you explain his numbers being so different from yours re the EU?

Thanks in advance.

[jesmu84]

Are Hoyle's numbers from the CDC re the US so much higher because it includes people who vape? Or is there a different reason?

And how do you explain his numbers being so different from yours re the EU?

Thanks in advance.

Appreciate you not asking Hoyle why his numbers are different.

You're welcome.

[jesmu84]

2018 updated data from WHO:

https://apps.who.int/gho/data/node.sdg.3-a-viz?lang=en

USA 21+%

Europe 28+%

[Billy Hoyle]

Are Hoyle's numbers from the CDC re the US so much higher because it includes people who vape? Or is there a different reason?

And how do you explain his numbers being so different from yours re the EU?

Thanks in advance.

My CDC link includes any use of any tobacco product, including vapes, cigars, pipes (I guess Ziggy is still alive and kicking), and smokeless tobacco. 

chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/media/pdfs/2024/09/cdc-osh-ncis-data-report-508.pdf

[Lennys Tap]

Appreciate you not asking Hoyle why his numbers are different.

You're welcome.

WTF?

[tower912]

My CDC link includes any use of any tobacco product, including vapes, cigars, pipes (I guess Ziggy is still alive and kicking), and smokeless tobacco. 

chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/media/pdfs/2024/09/cdc-osh-ncis-data-report-508.pdf

Love the signature.  Love the irony of it coming from Deane.

[Shaka Shart]

WTF?

Watch your language please

[Skatastrophy]

Watch your language please

> Sundowning is a state of confusion that can occur in the late afternoon and evening, and can cause a variety of behaviors, including aggression, anxiety, and confusion. Cursing can occur in people with dementia, especially as the disease progresses and the person's ability to express themselves verbally declines.

[Shaka Shart]

Sorry if I was being ableist 😔

[forgetful]

Are Hoyle's numbers from the CDC re the US so much higher because it includes people who vape? Or is there a different reason?

And how do you explain his numbers being so different from yours re the EU?

Thanks in advance.

Pretty simple. Hoyle cherry picked data to support his stance.

He used a metric from the EU that is based on those that smoke cigarettes daily (19.7), and compared it to Americans who use any Tobacco product (including vaping, and not even daily use) (19.8).

If you use any metric that compares apples to apples, tobacco, or smoking is significantly higher in Europe.

[Lennys Tap]

Pretty simple. Hoyle cherry picked data to support his stance.

He used a metric from the EU that is based on those that smoke cigarettes daily (19.7), and compared it to Americans who use any Tobacco product (including vaping, and not even daily use) (19.8).

If you use any metric that compares apples to apples, tobacco, or smoking is significantly higher in Europe.

Thank you

[#UnleashSean]

What was yours when you claimed Europeans smoked much more?

This will end well

[Shaka Shart]

Hearing a lotta people posting about wanting to smoke Luigi's pole