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tower912

Mutaman, you either missed the memo or you only want to post once every three weeks.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

Skatastrophy

Quote from: tower912 on December 14, 2024, 07:24:56 AMMutaman, you either missed the memo or you only want to post once every three weeks.
The mods don't read scoop, they just post stickies

forgetful

Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 13, 2024, 05:12:24 PMNobody forces anyone to eat a double whopper or a big gulp.

There is a fraternity that makes their pledges eat a couch, so I'm sure there is one out there that makes them eat a double whopper and a big gulp.

The Sultan

Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 13, 2024, 06:30:14 PMLots of struggles in my family - cancer, drug abuse, alcoholism/depression, obesity, learning disabilities and many more. My older brother couldn't beat his, committed suicide more than 20 years ago. I still mourn him, but if I held anyone other than him responsible for what happened he would haunt me from his grave. My younger brother quit drinking almost 30 years ago and still goes to meetings 4 or 5 times a week. I gave up the Budweiser 24 years ago and couldn't be happier. My wife has (at least up to now) beaten breast cancer and melanoma. I could go for several paragraphs but enough. Most of our challenges (and gifts) came from our gene pool. We celebrated the latter and tried our best to deal with the former without complaint. We thought (and still think) of ourselves as incredibly lucky. And that hurdles overcome are what people are ultimately judged by. So I'm fine with what life's brought me, the happy and the sad.



It's strange then that you want to draw the line at obesity, even though overeating isn't the sole cause of obesity. We treat all sorts of illness and injuries that were due, in part, to the actions of the patient.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Uncle Rico

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 14, 2024, 10:38:29 AMIt's strange then that you want to draw the line at obesity, even though overeating isn't the sole cause of obesity. We treat all sorts of illness and injuries that were due, in part, to the actions of the patient.


Can we call them names and mock them?
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tower912

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 14, 2024, 10:38:29 AMIt's strange then that you want to draw the line at obesity, even though overeating isn't the sole cause of obesity. We treat all sorts of illness and injuries that were due, in part, to the actions of the patient.

Geez, tell me about it.  So many of my peers and co-workers dealing with obscure cancers, heart disease (me), though there is no family history, joint replacements (not Rico and Newsdreams type of joints) all due to the actions of the patients.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.


muwarrior69


The Sultan

"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Uncle Rico

Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 14, 2024, 01:08:50 PMhttps://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadians-faced-longest-ever-health-care-wait-times-in-2024-study-finds

https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-people-skip-medical-treatment-due-to-healthcare-costs/

There are issues with healthcare regardless if its single payer or private insurance.




I love this is the go-to-defense for corporate bootlickers.

American healthcare sucks but what about!

Eat the rich
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tower912

#236
Yes, there are problems with single payer.  Ideally, we, as humans, should be striving to improve and develop something better.   In so many ways and things.
Luke 6:45   ...A good man produces goodness from the good in his heart; an evil man produces evil out of his store of evil.   Each man speaks from his heart's abundance...

It is better to be fearless and cheerful than cheerless and fearful.

#UnleashSean

Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 14, 2024, 01:08:50 PMhttps://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadians-faced-longest-ever-health-care-wait-times-in-2024-study-finds

https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-people-skip-medical-treatment-due-to-healthcare-costs/

There are issues with healthcare regardless if its single payer or private insurance.



Because the other one has problems we should continue with a clearly broken system?

It's like the argument against robotic cars not having 100% safety record.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 13, 2024, 06:30:14 PMLots of struggles in my family - cancer, drug abuse, alcoholism/depression, obesity, learning disabilities and many more. My older brother couldn't beat his, committed suicide more than 20 years ago. I still mourn him, but if I held anyone other than him responsible for what happened he would haunt me from his grave. My younger brother quit drinking almost 30 years ago and still goes to meetings 4 or 5 times a week. I gave up the Budweiser 24 years ago and couldn't be happier. My wife has (at least up to now) beaten breast cancer and melanoma. I could go for several paragraphs but enough. Most of our challenges (and gifts) came from our gene pool. We celebrated the latter and tried our best to deal with the former without complaint. We thought (and still think) of ourselves as incredibly lucky. And that hurdles overcome are what people are ultimately judged by. So I'm fine with what life's brought me, the happy and the sad.




You're not talking about the same thing as I am.  Has anyone in your family had their financial well being ruined from health care costs?

Hards Alumni

#239
Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 14, 2024, 01:08:50 PMhttps://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadians-faced-longest-ever-health-care-wait-times-in-2024-study-finds

https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-people-skip-medical-treatment-due-to-healthcare-costs/

There are issues with healthcare regardless if its single payer or private insurance.



I have a great healthcare plan and I still had to wait 9 months for a scan on my shoulder.

And then later I had to cancel that appointment due to a schedule conflict.

I haven't bothered to set a new appointment since it'll likely be at least 9 more months.

jesmu84

Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 14, 2024, 01:34:25 PMI have a great healthcare plan and I still had to wait 9 months for a scan on my shoulder.

And then later I had to cancel that appointment due to a schedule conflict.

I haven't bothered to set a new appointment since it'll likely be at least 9 more months.

Did you mean to quote my post?

Sorry about your long wait

Jockey

Hochul should have the same concern for the victims of the violence by these CEOs. They allow people (lots of them) to die, suffer more, and cause bankruptcy and Homelessness.

Violence begets violence.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Jockey on December 14, 2024, 02:28:46 PMHochul should have the same concern for the victims of the violence by these CEOs. They allow people (lots of them) to die, suffer more, and cause bankruptcy and Homelessness.

Violence begets violence.

Those people don't give enough political contributions
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#UnleashSean

Quote from: jesmu84 on December 14, 2024, 12:26:06 PMhttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/13/florida-woman-health-insurance-threat

Swift justice for "threats" to corporations


https://x.com/lukewgoldstein/status/1867590304460681269?t=VKjUWmHCs1KBPIbCuVSgxA&s=19

Make sure the CEOs feel safe

"We protect everybody on the streets of New York, not just CEOs" - Hochul

But you only police protection and state assistance to CEO's while people are literally murdered daily in the city.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 14, 2024, 10:38:29 AMIt's strange then that you want to draw the line at obesity, even though overeating isn't the sole cause of obesity. We treat all sorts of illness and injuries that were due, in part, to the actions of the patient.


I don't draw the line at obesity. It's just #1. Lots of other activities of choice that cost everyone - smoking, alcohol and other drugs leading the way.


The Sultan

Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 14, 2024, 04:01:01 PMI don't draw the line at obesity. It's just #1. Lots of other activities of choice that cost everyone - smoking, alcohol and other drugs leading the way.

So what do we do about former smokers who get lung cancer?  Do we just shrug our shoulders and say "hey, it was your choice to smoke?"

Should we provide support for smokers who want to stop so they can improve their health? 
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

wadesworld

Nobody smokes or drinks in Europe.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 14, 2024, 04:04:31 PMSo what do we do about former smokers who get lung cancer?  Do we just shrug our shoulders and say "hey, it was your choice to smoke?"

Should we provide support for smokers who want to stop so they can improve their health? 

Of course, never said we shouldn't.

Sean said that our Healthcare system was at fault for the US having lower life expectancies than some other countries. I pointed out that the biggest reason for lower life expectancies wasn't the Healthcare system - it was that, as a country (and compared to other countries) we're overweight. Add to that we don't exercise enough.

The Sultan

Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 14, 2024, 05:37:57 PMOf course, never said we shouldn't.

Sean said that our Healthcare system was at fault for the US having lower life expectancies than some other countries. I pointed out that the biggest reason for lower life expectancies wasn't the Healthcare system - it was that, as a country (and compared to other countries) we're overweight. Add to that we don't exercise enough.

Except our infant mortality rates are also awful. We went from top ten in the world around 1950 to around 60th. All of Western Europe has lapped us.
"I am one of those who think the best friend of a nation is he who most faithfully rebukes her for her sins—and he her worst enemy, who, under the specious and popular garb of patriotism, seeks to excuse, palliate, and defend them" - Frederick Douglass

Uncle Rico

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 14, 2024, 05:46:10 PMExcept our infant mortality rates are also awful. We went from top ten in the world around 1950 to around 60th. All of Western Europe has lapped us.

Babies are fat
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