[Paint Touches] How accurate are KenPom's preseason rankings?

[The Sultan]

It's not bad math. All you and Brew have done is argue that if the ballot went to 30 or 35 or 40 teams, the ranking of teams past 25 might be marginally more accurate

Lol. Yeah. That's the whole point. So you've basically just admitted that brew and TAMU are correct.

What are we even doing here?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

It's not bad math. All you and Brew have done is argue that if the ballot went to 30 or 35 or 40 teams, the ranking of teams past 25 might be marginally more accurate while scolding everyone about semantics like a couple of Karens. 

Yes, we all know the poll is called the "TOP 25", but data is collected on as many teams as voters believe should appear. It's purely semantics to argue that you can't rank order teams based on the vote totals they've received if that total is 26th or 27th instead of 24th or 25th.

This isn't about calling Texas A&M #26 or UConn #27 (at least not for me). Arguing that because UAB got 1 vote in the preseason poll, that makes them tied for the 40th best team in the country and that is somehow makes the AP Poll more comparable to things like KenPom, T-Rank, EvanMiya, etc. that rank all 363 teams is bad math.

[bilsu]

In the top-25? Yes. There's 1-25, also receiving votes, and everyone else.

And while the team at 26 would probably be reliably 26-28 if the ballot was longer, it's the 26-35 range where people are just getting random votes. The more teams that get votes, the less reliable anyone beyond 25 is.

The poll stops at 25 and could be changed next week to the top 30. It is an arbitrary cutoff. In Al's days it was the top 20.

[brewcity77]

It's not bad math. All you and Brew have done is argue that if the ballot went to 30 or 35 or 40 teams, the ranking of teams past 25 might be marginally more accurate while scolding everyone about semantics like a couple of Karens.

Thank you for agreeing with me.

[Newsdreams]

Lord, we're now mopping about "top others receiving votes".......

[lawdog77]

The only thing I will add is that prior to the 89-90 season the AP poll was only top 20. Why did they change it to 25?

[tower912]

So more people can get participation ribbons.

[WhiteTrash]

I do and will continue to call the top 'other receiving votes' team the #26 team.

I know by any mathematical, scientific or academic standard, I am wrong but it won't stop me.

[lawdog77]

So more people can get participation ribbons.

Well, I am on a personal crusade to NOT call the team with the 21st most votes, #21.

[The Sultan]

I do and will continue to call the top 'other receiving votes' team the #26 team.

I know by any mathematical, scientific or academic standard, I am wrong but it won't stop me.

Become ungovernable

[muwarrior69]

So more people can get participation ribbons.

That is all we have been getting the last 10 years.

[MU82]

Well, I am on a personal crusade to NOT call the team with the 21st most votes, #21.

Jeesh. Commit a crime like that, and you'd better change your handle to lawlessdog77.

[Scoop Snoop]

That is all we have been getting the last 10 years.

NM

[Pakuni]

Arguing that because UAB got 1 vote in the preseason poll, that makes them tied for the 40th best team in the country and that is somehow makes the AP Poll more comparable to things like KenPom, T-Rank, EvanMiya, etc. that rank all 363 teams is bad math.

Said nobody ever.

[Uncle Rico]

So more people can get participation ribbons.

The AP poll is woke

[Newsdreams]

The AP poll is woke

And very soft

[WhiteTrash]

And very soft

Snowflakes!!

[Newsdreams]

Snowflakes!!

I'm sure you're a letter writer

[THRILLHO]

Snowflakes!!

Are!

[bilsu]

The polls are not accurate. It depends a lot on whether you won your last game. The 25th ranked team can beat two nobodies during the week and the 24th ranked team can lose to the No. 1 ranked team and the 25th ranked team will most likely pass up the 24th ranked team in the next poll.

[lawdog77]

The polls are not accurate. It depends a lot on whether you won your last game. The 25th ranked team can beat two nobodies during the week and the 24th ranked team can lose to the No. 1 ranked team and the 25th ranked team will most likely pass up the 24th ranked team in the next poll.

I don't think anyone is arguing that they are. I think we are just having the classic scoop semantics argument of the term "ranked"