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Jockey

Quote from: MUfan12 on November 13, 2021, 09:44:16 AM
A few more threes fall in each of these first two games and I think the tone is very different here.

Thought the halfcourt defense looked better last night. Press seemed less fixated on turnovers as much as trying to get them I their offense later. Might be time for Oso to start, or play Lewis at the 5 for some stretches. Kur has been basically unplayable the first two games.


Gotta remember that Kuath played on an outstanding defensive team last year. He didn't need to constantly cover for young guards who can't stay on their man. It's going to take him a while to adjust.

MU82

Quote from: fjm on November 13, 2021, 08:50:18 AM
Side note. If you read brew's breakdown on UNH and the amount of experience they bring back... they may not be top tier D1 4-5* players.

But UNH played an 8 man rotation: 0 were freshmen. 2 sophomores. 1 junior and 5 seniors.

MU: 10 man rotation: 4 frosh, 4 sophomores, 2 seniors.

I felt that UNH was not a very talented team but was a well-coached team that patiently sought quality shots and played well together. Their experience -- not just their ages/years but also their time together -- showed.
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Quote from: avid1010 on November 13, 2021, 07:28:52 AM
Ken Pom:
Arkansas State - 191
New Hampshire - 214
Jackson State - 280

But I get what you are saying.  SIU-E lost to friggin Chicago State by 11 last night...that's more than concerning.

Also fair.  I'm *attempting* to just use free T-rank this year (I don't know which would be more accurate, honestly), but He's got:
Arkansas State - 176
Jackson State - 195
New Hampshire - 225
(UNH got a decent bump from playing us close)

MU has also dropped from 89 -> 99 -> 102 after these 2 games.


zcg2013

Quote from: tower912 on November 13, 2021, 11:41:42 AM
I liked when the play by play guy mentioned the highlight of Justin's freshman year was his game winning tip in against Wisconsin and Butch remained silent.

To me this was the funniest part of the commentary.

Also I know this was said before, but Butch sounded a lot like Dakich

MU82

Quote from: zcg2013 on November 13, 2021, 12:31:08 PM
Also I know this was said before, but Butch sounded a lot like Dakich

I missed the first minute of the telecast when the PBP guy introduced himself and Butch, so listening to the game I just assumed it was Dakich. A couple times, I thought I heard the PBP guy make references to "Brian" and I didn't know who the hell he was talking about. Wasn't until well into the telecast that I realized he definitely was saying Brian and I looked it up to see it was Butch.
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Quote from: tower912 on November 12, 2021, 09:53:47 PM
I am.  There is nothing to lose and so many lessons to be learned.

Well, the game.

Mr. Nielsen

Quote from: MU82 on November 13, 2021, 12:34:43 PM
I missed the first minute of the telecast when the PBP guy introduced himself and Butch, so listening to the game I just assumed it was Dakich. A couple times, I thought I heard the PBP guy make references to "Brian" and I didn't know who the hell he was talking about. Wasn't until well into the telecast that I realized he definitely was saying Brian and I looked it up to see it was Butch.
Or you can look at the pinned thread at the top. The pbp guy was the former Marquette of announcer as well.
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MU82

Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on November 13, 2021, 01:20:31 PM
Or you can look at the pinned thread at the top. The pbp guy was the former Marquette of announcer as well.

When I said "I looked it up," that's where I looked it up. I had forgotten to check beforehand, and I spend little to no time on the interwebs during games. But it was bugging me so I quickly checked your thread during a time-out.

I always appreciate you keeping that updated, Mr. N. Thank you for your service!
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Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 13, 2021, 12:24:14 PM
Also fair.  I'm *attempting* to just use free T-rank this year (I don't know which would be more accurate, honestly), but He's got:
Arkansas State - 176
Jackson State - 195
New Hampshire - 225
(UNH got a decent bump from playing us close)

MU has also dropped from 89 -> 99 -> 102 after these 2 games.

MU has dropped on KP but on Haslametrics they've jumped up actually, which I'm sure someone here can explain. He's projecting us as 3pt underdogs Monday. 73-70.

Offense 89->72
Defense 61->39
Overall 68->59

jfp61

We're a top 100 team if you use the current efficiency ratings of our first two games. We're close to a top 50 team if you calculate our 3pt shooting as it currently sits is an anomaly. Even at 32% 3pt shooting percentage, lower than last year, MU would move up 11-12 ken pom spots.

Haslametrics likely integrates more shot quality data, even if its just location based, than most of these efficiency based sites.

Mr. Nielsen

Quote from: MU82 on November 13, 2021, 02:16:26 PM


I always appreciate you keeping that updated, Mr. N. Thank you for your service!
I appreciate you saying that.
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Lennys Tap

Kolek looked a little dinged up to me last night. Thought I saw him on the bench with an ice pack on his knee.

Uncle Rico

Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 13, 2021, 04:41:09 PM
Kolek looked a little dinged up to me last night. Thought I saw him on the bench with an ice pack on his knee.

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Quote from: tower912 on November 12, 2021, 09:40:36 PM
1.  Slow starts two straight games.
2.  The half court offense is pick and roll and dribble drive.  I have seen three sets run in two games.  Any open 3 is a good look, regardless of shooter.  Then try and get to the rim.
3.  UNH succeeded in slowing down the game, forcing MU to play a half court game.
4.  Through 2 games, Osa>>>Kur.
5.  It is clear that everyone has the green light from 3.  I think this is the long game.  Get them use to shooting.  Eventually, they will start hitting.
6.  Glad to see EE on the floor.
7.  It pains me, but Butch did a nice job of explaining the freshmen mistakes and process.  He sounds like Dakich without the arrogance.
8.  I am ready to see Greg hitting some catch and shoot 3's.
9.  So many needless fouls.
10.  Funny how free throws always seem to matta at the end.
11.  MU has now seen two completely different styles.  They have struggled and fought and hacked and slapped and slopped.   They could be 0-2, but they aren't.  It is a process.

In attendance last night.  My friend and I both noticed how in the opening minutes (frankly it extended well into the 1st half) how many times our guys would beat their defender with a spin move, crossover or the like, and not finish.  I lost track of how many time we missed a "bunny" once the defender was beat and the ball clanged off the rim or ricocheted off the backboard.

Atheliticism was there, but the touch or control was sorely lacking.  I think that will come.  I love the quickness.

Newsdreams

Quote from: romey on November 13, 2021, 04:59:32 PM
In attendance last night.  My friend and I both noticed how in the opening minutes (frankly it extended well into the 1st half) how many times our guys would beat their defender with a spin move, crossover or the like, and not finish.  I lost track of how many time we missed a "bunny" once the defender was beat and the ball clanged off the rim or ricocheted off the backboard.

Atheliticism was there, but the touch or control was sorely lacking.  I think that will come.  I love the quickness.
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Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 13, 2021, 04:41:09 PM
Kolek looked a little dinged up to me last night. Thought I saw him on the bench with an ice pack on his knee.
Shaka said he saw his minutes reduced as a result of his injury. 

Also said they need to start hitting 3's...pretty simple at this point.

bilsu

Quote from: jfp61 on November 13, 2021, 03:03:52 PM
We're a top 100 team if you use the current efficiency ratings of our first two games. We're close to a top 50 team if you calculate our 3pt shooting as it currently sits is an anomaly. Even at 32% 3pt shooting percentage, lower than last year, MU would move up 11-12 ken pom spots.

Haslametrics likely integrates more shot quality data, even if its just location based, than most of these efficiency based sites.
We played bad teams, so our efficiency rating is inflated.

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THRILLHO

Quote from: fjm on November 13, 2021, 08:44:00 AM

If they could make a few buckets we'd have been in much better position.

Yeah, if we were better we'd be better!

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I thought Kolek started without a knee brace, then had an extended period on the bench, and then he ended the game with a black knee brace on.

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