Billboard on Campus

[#UnleashSean]

I think Jay Wright is a good comparison for a coach developing. I don't think Villanova is too dissimilar to Marquette in terms of resources, in fact Marquette's basketball resources may be better.

But Jay struggled his first three years, and then went S16, E8, R64, S16, F4 in his next five years. I do think people were overly critical of Wojo in his first few seasons, but he hasn't shown the improvement since then.

I don't like the argument of people not judging him for the first couple of years. Not winning because of personal is fine.

Those of us who called for wojo to be out early just recognized what the rest of you finally have. He can't coach.

[naginiF]

Who here is confused?  I don't think anyone is confused.  It's time to stop pretending big time college athletics is anything but that.  If the kids are great students that's fantastic but the primary focus should be on winning.  If that's not what the administration believes then the results will not change.   A whole lot of self righteous people can get up in arms but the truth is we should be recruiting the best basketball players we can get into the program even more f poor students or no path to graduate.  Many of those kids need a way to get ahead in life and will benefit from their MU experience even if not excelling academically.

That is a fine perspective IF you are not an alumni (I'm assuming you are not) and look at the athletes in the program a pure commodities.

Thankfully Marquette doesn't view it the way you do. The student athletes represent the university on the court, in the classroom, in the community, and in society after they graduate. The institution should take all of those attributes into consideration when recruiting and do everything in its power to support them to be successful in those areas. That's not being self righteous, it's doing the right thing for the student athletes and Marquette as an institution.

[Pakuni]

Nice deflection. Coach K, Cal, $ Bill Self, Brad Underwood, Will Wade, Boeheim, Drew, Ole Roy, Pitino say hi too. Btw, they are all dancing but K this year. Heck, how did Texas Tech get so good so quickly? Oh, they have Adams sitting on the bench.

I will be cheering for Few and Wright, but they are the exceptions. If MU truly wants to be like them, then they need to stop hiring top assistants or the next great mid-major coach. Or stop overbuilding on court promise followed up by hollow excuses as why the team underachieved on the court.

MU has done a horrible job of communicating the expectations they have of the program on the court to alumni and fans. As the result, you get this public display and Wojo gets 100% of the fan blame, when in fact, the admin is very pleased with Wojo.

It will be telling if MU addresses this or not. Are they getting pressed?

Nobody's deflecting. You're just laying out a false choice.
You know who else says hi? Bennett, Painter, Musselman, Oats, McCaffery, Smart, Barnes, Kruger, Holtman, Pope, Boyle and even (gulp) Gard.
Most of these guys, by the way, were hired to their current gigs from mid-majors  ... as were Beard, Drew, Wright, Altman, Wade and so on.

If you're confused by what the athletic department's mission is, that's on you, because they've been telling you with their actions for the last 20+ years. They want to build a competitive program while also adhering to the university's ethics and mission.
That's really hard and there's no guarantee of success, as we've seen. But as we've also seen, it's not impossible. If you prefer an easier route to wins, maybe your loyalties are misplaced.

[Silent Verbal]

Nobody's deflecting. You're just laying out a false choice.
You know who else says hi? Bennett, Painter, Musselman, Oats, McCaffery, Smart, Barnes, Kruger, Holtman, Pope, Boyle and even (gulp) Gard.
Most of these guys, by the way, were hired to their current gigs from mid-majors  ... as were Beard, Drew, Wright, Altman, Wade and so on.

If you're confused by what the athletic department's mission is, that's on you, because they've been telling you with their actions for the last 20+ years. They want to build a competitive program while also adhering to the university's ethics and mission.
That's really hard and there's no guarantee of success, as we've seen. But as we've also seen, it's not impossible. If you prefer an easier route to wins, maybe your loyalties are misplaced.

Okay, cool, moral high horse and other ways to win and yada yada yada.  You're right, there are coaches who win, and win clean.  But Wojo's not one of the guys who can do that, and he needs to go.  Do you disagree with this?

[Farley36]

Nice deflection. Coach K, Cal, $ Bill Self, Brad Underwood, Will Wade, Boeheim, Drew, Ole Roy, Pitino say hi too. Btw, they are all dancing but K this year. Heck, how did Texas Tech get so good so quickly? Oh, they have Adams sitting on the bench.

I will be cheering for Few and Wright, but they are the exceptions. If MU truly wants to be like them, then they need to stop hiring top assistants or the next great mid-major coach. Or stop overbuilding on court promise followed up by hollow excuses as why the team underachieved on the court.

MU has done a horrible job of communicating the expectations they have of the program on the court to alumni and fans. As the result, you get this public display and Wojo gets 100% of the fan blame, when in fact, the admin is very pleased with Wojo.

It will be telling if MU addresses this or not. Are they getting pressed?

If only the admin would tell me they are ok with no NCAA wins in 7 seasons and being a consistently bottom half team in the Big East.  If they had I'd be completely happy with Wojo. Glad I now know what to think.  🙄

[Hards Alumni]

That is a fine perspective IF you are not an alumni (I'm assuming you are not) and look at the athletes in the program a pure commodities.

Thankfully Marquette doesn't view it the way you do. The student athletes represent the university on the court, in the classroom, in the community, and in society after they graduate. The institution should take all of those attributes into consideration when recruiting and do everything in its power to support them to be successful in those areas. That's not being self righteous, it's doing the right thing for the student athletes and Marquette as an institution.

Interesting, I look forward to Marquette pushing for NIL this off season then.

[Farley36]

That is a fine perspective IF you are not an alumni (I'm assuming you are not) and look at the athletes in the program a pure commodities.

Thankfully Marquette doesn't view it the way you do. The student athletes represent the university on the court, in the classroom, in the community, and in society after they graduate. The institution should take all of those attributes into consideration when recruiting and do everything in its power to support them to be successful in those areas. That's not being self righteous, it's doing the right thing for the student athletes and Marquette as an institution.

Not only am I am alumni, I am a 2x alumni.   Undergrad and MU Law.  You also can do the right thing for basketball players who come from bad backgrounds and are not great students. 

[Pakuni]

Okay, cool, moral high horse and other ways to win and yada yada yada.  You're right, there are coaches who win, and win clean.  But Wojo's not one of the guys who can do that, and he needs to go.  Do you disagree with this?

No, I think it's best if Wojo goes. I just don't buy the notion that the only way to win is by hiring the likes of Rick Pitino and abandoning the university's ethics and mission. Or that coaches that run generally clean programs and win are unicorns.

[Farley36]

That is a fine perspective IF you are not an alumni (I'm assuming you are not) and look at the athletes in the program a pure commodities.

Thankfully Marquette doesn't view it the way you do. The student athletes represent the university on the court, in the classroom, in the community, and in society after they graduate. The institution should take all of those attributes into consideration when recruiting and do everything in its power to support them to be successful in those areas. That's not being self righteous, it's doing the right thing for the student athletes and Marquette as an institution.

It's also very telling that most of your opinion is based on how the student athletes will represent the university rather than a student centric view of how can MU best serve these basketball players once they step through the doors.   

The program should recruit the best basketball players possible (that aren't criminals) and help them be as successful as possible in life.  If that's preparing them for a basketball career they should.  If it's helping someone from an underserved demographic do enough in school to better their situation in life then they should do that. 

Screw needing to focus on student athletes who fit a certain model a bunch of old, white boomers seem acceptable representatives of the University.

[naginiF]

Not only am I am alumni, I am a 2x alumni.   Undergrad and MU Law.  You also can do the right thing for basketball players who come from bad backgrounds and are not great students. 

I must have misinterpreted the "no path to graduate"

A whole lot of self righteous people can get up in arms but the truth is we should be recruiting the best basketball players we can get into the program even more f poor students or no path to graduate.