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Should Wojo Be Fired?

Fire Wojo
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Herman Cain

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 18, 2019, 07:51:51 AM
I'm exactly aware of what Xavier's situation was. Based on the talent they had they should have been an NCAA at large. Not a high one but in the tournament nonetheless Steele underperformed.

You ignored my question. You say firing a head coach for losing the team and hiring one his assistants happens all the time. Can you give some examples at the high major level? I can think of times when a coach was fired because of recruiting violations or legal issues but not outside of that.
I like how your willing to give Wojo 6 years , but won't give Steele a few months to get his bearings .

I gave you the Frieder /Steve Fischer example . Bo Schembechler forced out then fired Frieder because the two did not get along.
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TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: Herman Cain on April 18, 2019, 09:33:32 AM
I like how your willing to give Wojo 6 years , but won't give Steele a few months to get his bearings .

I gave you the Frieder /Steve Fischer example . Bo Schembechler forced out then fired Frieder because the two did not get along.

When did I say I wasn't willing to give Steele time? I said I would need more than last season to declare him better than Wojo.

Im sorry you didn't ignore my question, I don't know how I missed that. But you did answer my question badly. Frieden wasn't fired for bad performance. He was fired because he announced he was taking another job at the end of the season. Fisher was promoted because he was the assistant of a successful coach.

Plus,  you said this happens all the time. Who else you got?  Surely there's an example that's not 30 years old.
Quote from: Goose on January 15, 2023, 08:43:46 PM
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Eldon

Quote from: brewcity77 on April 18, 2019, 12:59:23 AM
I don't think that's why he's not an option now.

AFAIK, he's had zero off-the-court issues.  He got MS State (MISSISSIPPI STATE!) to a five seed in his fourth season.  None of his players have written letters to the coaching staff (again, AFAIK)

If we gave him a call, I bet he picks up the phone and listens.

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Quote from: Eldon on April 18, 2019, 10:04:19 AM
AFAIK, he's had zero off-the-court issues.  He got MS State (MISSISSIPPI STATE!) to a five seed in his fourth season.  None of his players have written letters to the coaching staff (again, AFAIK)

If we gave him a call, I bet he picks up the phone and listens.

Just hire Pitino. Onesto will reap the benefits.

GoldenWarrior11

Quote from: Eldon on April 18, 2019, 10:04:19 AM
AFAIK, he's had zero off-the-court issues.  He got MS State (MISSISSIPPI STATE!) to a five seed in his fourth season.  None of his players have written letters to the coaching staff (again, AFAIK)

If we gave him a call, I bet he picks up the phone and listens.

Howland is making more than Wojo.  Why would we fire Wojo (and pay remainder of his buyout) to hire Howland (and likely need to up his salary as well).  You'd be talking around $4.5 million annually, paying for two head coaches.  Not happening.

WhiteTrash

Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on April 18, 2019, 10:10:45 AM
Howland is making more than Wojo.  Why would we fire Wojo (and pay remainder of his buyout) to hire Howland (and likely need to up his salary as well).  You'd be talking around $4.5 million annually, paying for two head coaches.  Not happening.
I don't understand the narrative that MU can't pay more than they currently pay Wojo. A coach is compensated based upon their market value. (some could argue Wojo is over paid) With MU's resources I could easily see them paying a coach $3MM per year. Not saying we want Howland or that we could go to $4.5MM per year, but maybe MU could pay that much.

GoldenWarrior11

Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 18, 2019, 10:31:22 AM
I don't understand the narrative that MU can't pay more than they currently pay Wojo. A coach is compensated based upon their market value. (some could argue Wojo is over paid) With MU's resources I could easily see them paying a coach $3MM per year. Not saying we want Howland or that we could go to $4.5MM per year, but maybe MU could pay that much.

Our admin thought that Buzz was making too much at $3.5 million...

TAMU, Knower of Ball

Quote from: Eldon on April 18, 2019, 10:04:19 AM
AFAIK, he's had zero off-the-court issues.  He got MS State (MISSISSIPPI STATE!) to a five seed in his fourth season.  None of his players have written letters to the coaching staff (again, AFAIK)

If we gave him a call, I bet he picks up the phone and listens.

You AFAIK is not very F
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NickelDimer

Quote from: 4everwarriors on April 17, 2019, 07:43:38 PM
Y'all are focused on should Wojo bee chit canned. Butt, watt if Steve wanted outta dis gig and wuz actively seekin' another job. Maybe he wood welcome leavin' Peyton Place, hey?
Where there's smoke there's fire eh?
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WhiteTrash

Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on April 18, 2019, 10:32:41 AM
Our admin thought that Buzz was making too much at $3.5 million...
Thanks for proving my point. MU can pay that much, maybe more now. Did they think that was too much due to the "issues" going on and Buzz's role in it?

GoldenWarrior11

Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 18, 2019, 11:12:15 AM
Thanks for proving my point. MU can pay that much, maybe more now. Did they think that was too much due to the "issues" going on and Buzz's role in it?

Buzz was making $3.5 million not because admin thought the head coach was worth that much, but because he was smarter at reading fine print of contracts.  He had an escalating contract, with a guaranteed five-year roll-over clause, upon the conclusion of every season.  Again, if our school thought a coach who went to two Sweet 16s and an Elite Eight was making too much money, do you really think they are going to go out, spend more, on a proven coach? 

The last acting head coach Marquette hired was Mike Deane in 1994 (over 25 years ago).  I just don't see it if/when we are looking again.

WhiteTrash

Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on April 18, 2019, 11:49:40 AM
Buzz was making $3.5 million not because admin thought the head coach was worth that much, but because he was smarter at reading fine print of contracts.
That would be incredibly damning of the administration of a large national university if true. No wonder Buzz left knowing how inept the leadership of MU was.

Everyone should rethink donating money to MU if they made such a massive error in negotiating with a basketball coach who had no counsel. How many millions has MU pissed away in the hundreds or thousands of other contracts they have entered into?

Marcus92

Has it actually been more than two weeks since we've had a new poll on whether or not to fire Wojo? C'mon, Scoop. Very disappointing.
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auburnmarquette

Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on April 16, 2019, 12:47:17 PM
Who are these people voting yes?  Like seriously - are people happy with the on-court product for the past 5 years?  It baffles me.

Guess you missed the more than 3 decades before Buzz with a total of 2 Sweet 16s. That's been par. Buzz was the exception. The disappointment of coach Ks first 5 years would have certainly had you voting to fire him and look what you would have missed.

My guess is the percent you are in is really about 5% of fans - many times as many fans who are upset as content call talk radio or get in the blog's.
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