Old Conference Realignment

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I remember that Deane predicted Marquette would end up in a "Catholic Conference" along with the likes of Notre Dame, Georgetown, Villanova, Dayton, Saint Louis, etc.  He wasn't that far off...

ABD

[SaveOD238]

ABD

I know ABD is a major mantra around here, but Dayton is on the edge of being a top 60 kenpom team for the 5th year in the last 6 (I didn't look any further back).  Any Big East expansion talk would have to include them

[Galway Eagle]

I know ABD is a major mantra around here, but Dayton is on the edge of being a top 60 kenpom team for the 5th year in the last 6 (I didn't look any further back).  Any Big East expansion talk would have to include them

God if we included them I'd love nothing more than that UDFlyer poster to come back and eat Sh*t at his predictions

[GooooMarquette]

ABD

If that stands for Anyone But DePaul, count me in.

[Jon]

I don't think anyone realistically thought the Big East was an option back then - mostly because of geography.

Marquette was invited to be a founding member of the Big East. Hank turned it down.

That guy did more harm to the Marquette program than anyone else.

Nice guy? Sure. But he was a disaster as Head Coach and AD.


David Mamet expressed it best:


Blake: Let me have your attention for a moment! 'Cause you're talking about what? You're talking about...[puts out his cigarette]...bitching about that sale you shot, some son of a bitch don't wanna buy land, somebody don't want what you're selling, some broad you're trying to screw, so forth. Let's talk about something important. [to John Williamson] Are they all here?


John: All but one.

Blake: Well, I'm going anyway. Let's talk about something important. [to Shelley] Put that coffee down! Coffee is for closers only. [Shelley scoffs] You think I'm f#cking with you? I am not fucking with you. I'm here from downtown. I'm here from Mitch and Murray. And I'm here on a mission of mercy. Your name's Levene?

Shelley: Yeah.

Blake: You call yourself a salesman, you son of a bitch?

Dave: I don't gotta listen to this sh1t. [stands up to leave]

Blake: You certainly don't, pal, 'cause the good news is you're fired. The bad news is you've got -- all you've got -- just one week to regain your jobs, starting with tonight. Starting with tonight's sit. [sardonically] Oh, have I got your attention now? [Dave Moss sits back down] Good. 'Cause we're adding a little something to this month's sales contest. As you all know, first prize is a Cadillac Eldorado. Anybody wanna see second prize? Second prize's a set of steak knives. Third prize is you're fired. [Dave, George, and Shelley glance uncomfortably at each other] Do you get the picture? Are you laughing now? You got leads. Mitch and Murray paid good money. Get their names to sell them! You can't close the leads you're given, you can't close sh1t, you are sh1t, hit the bricks, pal, and beat it 'cause you are going out!

Shelley: The leads are weak.

Blake: The leads are weak. F#ckin' leads are weak? You're weak. I've been in this business 15 years.

Dave: What's your name?

Blake: F#CK! YOU! That's my name! You know why, mister? 'Cause you drove a Hyundai to get here tonight, I drove an $80,000 BMW. That's my name! [to Shelley] And your name is "you're wanting". And you can't play in a man's game. You can't close them. [at a near whisper] Then go home and tell your wife your troubles. [to everyone again] Because only one thing counts in this life! Get them to sign on the line which is dotted! You hear me, you f#ckin' faggots? [Blake flips over a blackboard which has two sets of letters on it: ABC, and AIDA.] A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Closing. Always be closing. Always be closing! A-I-D-A. Attention, Interest, Decision, Action. Attention -- do I have your attention? Interest -- are you interested? I know you are, 'cause it's f#ck or walk. You close, or you hit the bricks! Decision -- have you made your decision for Christ?! And action. A-I-D-A. Get out there! You got the prospects coming in; you think they came in to get outta the rain? A guy don't walk on the lot lest he wants to buy. They're sitting out there waiting to give you their money! Are you gonna take it? Are you man enough to take it? [Shelley glares.]

Dave: Incredible.

Blake: [to Moss] What's the problem, pal? You, Moss. [Blake sits down.]

Dave: You're such a hero, you're so rich. How come you're comin' down here an' waste your time with such a bunch of bums?

Blake: [smiles condescendingly.] You see this watch? [Blake takes off his gold watch.] You see this watch?

Dave: Yeah.

Blake: That watch cost more than your car. I made $970,000 last year. How much you make? You see, pal, that's who I am, and you're nothing. Nice guy? I don't give a sh!t. Good father? F#ck you! Go home and play with your kids. [to everyone] You wanna work here? Close! [to George Aaronow] You think this is abuse? You think this is abuse, you cocksucker? You can't take this, how can you take the abuse you get on a sit?! You don't like it, leave. I can go out there tonight, the materials you got, make myself $15,000! Tonight! In two hours! Can you? Can you? Go and do likewise! A-I-D-A! Get mad, you son of a bitches! Get mad! You know what it takes to sell real estate? [He pulls something out of his brief case. He is holding two brass balls on string] It takes brass balls to sell real estate. [He puts them away after a pause.] Go and do likewise, gents. The money's out there. You pick it up, it's yours. You don't, I got no sympathy for you. You wanna go out on those sits tonight and close, close, it's yours. Not, you're gonna be shining my shoes. And you know what you'll be saying, bunch of losers, sitting around in a bar. [in a mocking weak voice] "Oh yeah, I used to be a salesman, it's a tough racket." [He takes out large stack of red index cards tied together with string from his briefcase.] These are the new leads. These are the Glengarry leads. And to you, they're gold. And you don't get them. Why? Because to give them to you is just throwing them away. [He hands the stack to John Williamson.] They're for closers. I'd wish you good luck, but you wouldn't know what to do with it if you got it. [to Moss as he puts on his watch again] And to answer your question, pal, why am I here? I came here because Mitch and Murray asked me to, they asked for a favor. I said, the real favor, follow my advice and fire your f#ckin' a$$ because a loser is a loser.

[Jon]

SLU during the SpoonBall years

Not sure about this. I am pretty certain Spoonhour was still at SW MO State at that time

[oldwarrior81]

Spoonhour coached in the Great Midwest

He began at Saint Louis in 1993, which was the second year of the GMWC

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

ABD

Amen.

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I know ABD is a major mantra around here, but Dayton is on the edge of being a top 60 kenpom team for the 5th year in the last 6 (I didn't look any further back).  Any Big East expansion talk would have to include them

Dayton encourages and embraces the mid-month label.

ABD. Enough.

[MU82]

Marquette was invited to be a founding member of the Big East. Hank turned it down.

That guy did more harm to the Marquette program than anyone else.

Nice guy? Sure. But he was a disaster as Head Coach and AD.


David Mamet expressed it best:


Blake: Let me have your attention for a moment! 'Cause you're talking about what? You're talking about...[puts out his cigarette]...bitching about that sale you shot, some son of a bitch don't wanna buy land, somebody don't want what you're selling, some broad you're trying to screw, so forth. Let's talk about something important. [to John Williamson] Are they all here?


John: All but one.

Blake: Well, I'm going anyway. Let's talk about something important. [to Shelley] Put that coffee down! Coffee is for closers only. [Shelley scoffs] You think I'm f#cking with you? I am not unnatural carnal knowledgeing with you. I'm here from downtown. I'm here from Mitch and Murray. And I'm here on a mission of mercy. Your name's Levene?

Shelley: Yeah.

Blake: You call yourself a salesman, you son of a bitch?

Dave: I don't gotta listen to this sh1t. [stands up to leave]

Blake: You certainly don't, pal, 'cause the good news is you're fired. The bad news is you've got -- all you've got -- just one week to regain your jobs, starting with tonight. Starting with tonight's sit. [sardonically] Oh, have I got your attention now? [Dave Moss sits back down] Good. 'Cause we're adding a little something to this month's sales contest. As you all know, first prize is a Cadillac Eldorado. Anybody wanna see second prize? Second prize's a set of steak knives. Third prize is you're fired. [Dave, George, and Shelley glance uncomfortably at each other] Do you get the picture? Are you laughing now? You got leads. Mitch and Murray paid good money. Get their names to sell them! You can't close the leads you're given, you can't close sh1t, you are sh1t, hit the bricks, pal, and beat it 'cause you are going out!

Shelley: The leads are weak.

Blake: The leads are weak. F#ckin' leads are weak? You're weak. I've been in this business 15 years.

Dave: What's your name?

Blake: F#CK! YOU! That's my name! You know why, mister? 'Cause you drove a Hyundai to get here tonight, I drove an $80,000 BMW. That's my name! [to Shelley] And your name is "you're wanting". And you can't play in a man's game. You can't close them. [at a near whisper] Then go home and tell your wife your troubles. [to everyone again] Because only one thing counts in this life! Get them to sign on the line which is dotted! You hear me, you f#ckin' handsome persons? [Blake flips over a blackboard which has two sets of letters on it: ABC, and AIDA.] A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Closing. Always be closing. Always be closing! A-I-D-A. Attention, Interest, Decision, Action. Attention -- do I have your attention? Interest -- are you interested? I know you are, 'cause it's f#ck or walk. You close, or you hit the bricks! Decision -- have you made your decision for Christ?! And action. A-I-D-A. Get out there! You got the prospects coming in; you think they came in to get outta the rain? A guy don't walk on the lot lest he wants to buy. They're sitting out there waiting to give you their money! Are you gonna take it? Are you man enough to take it? [Shelley glares.]

Dave: Incredible.

Blake: [to Moss] What's the problem, pal? You, Moss. [Blake sits down.]

Dave: You're such a hero, you're so rich. How come you're comin' down here an' waste your time with such a bunch of bums?

Blake: [smiles condescendingly.] You see this watch? [Blake takes off his gold watch.] You see this watch?

Dave: Yeah.

Blake: That watch cost more than your car. I made $970,000 last year. How much you make? You see, pal, that's who I am, and you're nothing. Nice guy? I don't give a sh!t. Good father? F#ck you! Go home and play with your kids. [to everyone] You wanna work here? Close! [to George Aaronow] You think this is abuse? You think this is abuse, you cocksucker? You can't take this, how can you take the abuse you get on a sit?! You don't like it, leave. I can go out there tonight, the materials you got, make myself $15,000! Tonight! In two hours! Can you? Can you? Go and do likewise! A-I-D-A! Get mad, you son of a bitches! Get mad! You know what it takes to sell real estate? [He pulls something out of his brief case. He is holding two brass balls on string] It takes brass balls to sell real estate. [He puts them away after a pause.] Go and do likewise, gents. The money's out there. You pick it up, it's yours. You don't, I got no sympathy for you. You wanna go out on those sits tonight and close, close, it's yours. Not, you're gonna be shining my shoes. And you know what you'll be saying, bunch of losers, sitting around in a bar. [in a mocking weak voice] "Oh yeah, I used to be a salesman, it's a tough racket." [He takes out large stack of red index cards tied together with string from his briefcase.] These are the new leads. These are the Glengarry leads. And to you, they're gold. And you don't get them. Why? Because to give them to you is just throwing them away. [He hands the stack to John Williamson.] They're for closers. I'd wish you good luck, but you wouldn't know what to do with it if you got it. [to Moss as he puts on his watch again] And to answer your question, pal, why am I here? I came here because Mitch and Murray asked me to, they asked for a favor. I said, the real favor, follow my advice and fire your f#ckin' a$$ because a loser is a loser.

By far the best 8 minutes of Alec Baldwin's acting career.

[augoman]

I may be wrong, but I thought Dukiet was a Raymond's hire.  Also, Majerus left Marquette in a lurch, and the Athletic Department needed to find a replacement asap, basically we had to make offers to coaches we knew wouldn't say no.

MCC was terribly depressing, having to sweat wins out versus Evansville and Detroit sucked.

true, Raymonds hired Dukiet but, he had hired another coach, a good one who had won a few in the NCAA tournament (was it Rose from Texas something directional?).  Anyhow, the new hire had a presser here and told us how excited he was and his wife fcouldnt wait to get here.  Then he flew back to his employer and asked to be released from his contract..., his next presser he was crying and said he was going to stay put and help his current players blah, blah, blah.  Then Hank started grasping at straws.

[sa87]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Newell_(basketball)

Mike Newell from Arkansas Little Rock

https://www.nytimes.com/1986/07/05/sports/sports-people-staying-put-i.html

It made the ny times

[oldwarrior81]

Newell was really close to being here.  Probably closer than the Done Deal with Shaka.

Newell had even gone through the process of interviewing members of the coaching staff, and offering positions on his Marquette staff.

Newell had been an assistant at Oklahoma with Billy Tubbs.   In either the '84 or '85 season MU knocked off a ranked Syracuse at home (featuring Pearl Washington).   
Oklahoma played in a nationally televised game (back when those meant something) in the Carrier Dome a couple weeks later.

He spent quite a bit of time talking with the MU staff on that gameplan.   Ends up Oklahoma goes into the Dome and knocks off Syracuse.   Vaulted them into the top 20 where they stayed for the next 7-8 seasons.