Wojo-Bennett

[Dr. Blackheart]

#FakeNews
#Lies

This isn't true. That's not how it works.

UMBC was the 63rd seed.

Ha ha.  So true.  I thought UMBC was a play-in 16.

#senile

[Floorslapper]

Your ridiculous outrage would have been on blast if Bennett was your coach last night. STFU.

As would every other fan in UVA's place last night.  99% would be off the rails in the moment.  That said, perspective matters.  Just watch my level of "ridiculous outrage," once Wojo leads us to Big East titles, consistent NCAA bids and occasional Sweet 16s.  Newsflash:  You won't read any from me.  So, until then.  STFU

That aside, I do admire your ability to accept unnecessary mediocrity in such a measured manner. 

[🏀]

As would every other fan in UVA's place last night.  99% would be off the rails in the moment.  That said, perspective matters.  Just watch my level of "ridiculous outrage," once Wojo leads us to Big East titles, consistent NCAA bids and occasional Sweet 16s.  Newsflash:  You won't read any from me.  So, until then.  STFU

That aside, I do admire your ability to accept unnecessary mediocrity in such a measured manner. 

How many fire Bennett threads do you think you would have started last night?

If we've learned anything from your past, it's that your perspective is terrible.

[Floorslapper]

How many fire Bennett threads do you think you would have started last night?

If we've learned anything from your past, it's that your perspective is terrible.

Find one "Fire Wojo" thread I've started here.  Good luck.  Please enlighten me and fill me in on all of the terrible perspective I've posted here.  I'll hang up and listen.

[MU82]

You can cut it any way you want, but Cuonzo is in the tourney.  You're a guy who likes facts, right?

Fact: Cuonzo made the tourney with Tennessee
Fact: Cuonzo made the tourney with Cal. 
Fact: Cuonzo made the tourney with Mizzou

These are facts.  Facts don't lie.  Facts are fun.  Facts. 

Feel free to rebut these FACTS with "context."


Regarding Howland, his lack of success at M-State can't really be used as a `counterfactual Marquette' for at least three reasons:

1) M-State is in the middle of nowhere
2) M-State has nowhere near the the bball resources that MU does (how much does Howland make at M-State?)
3) Howland landing at M-State--a terrible bball school--may have led him to say "ah, f*ck it...that SI article tainted my future...I'm effectively throwing in the towel."

You're right, Eldon, I love facts! Please tell me where in my post I claimed as a fact that Wojo was better than Martin?

Fact is, I claimed nothing even close to that. I gave the facts about Martin's loss yesterday (as well as an opinion about him sticking too long with Porter), and you provided some other facts about Martin. There is nothing for me to "rebut." I don't rebut facts.

Like everybody else here, I do have opinions, so ...

What I will say about Martin is that he seems to have "happy feet," and he certainly left Cal in bad shape after he bolted. Is there any reason to believe he would have seen Marquette as anything but a stepping-stone job, any reason to think he wouldn't have left us in the lurch?

In my OP, I also never mentioned Howland's "lack of success." I merely gave a fact. He is in the NIT, as is Wojo. There wasn't even a trace of opinion in what I said.

Having said that ...

I like to think Howland didn't take Mississippi State as a "throw in the towel" move, and I doubt he did. Coaches are some of the most competitive people on the face of the earth, and they aren't wired to think like that.

What is possible is that it was a "desperate attempt to re-start my career" move. Nobody else would have him, and at his age he doesn't have much more time to get going again, so he went to a place in the middle of nowhere to see if he could resurrect his career. Even a decent showing at Mississippi State for 2-3 years could be enough to get a better program to hire him for one last go-round.

I am glad Marquette didn't hire him. Too "squirmy," as a friend of ours would say. I'm also glad we didn't hire Martin, whom I truly believe would have looked to bolt at the first opportunity.

Like just about every other Scooper, I was hoping for Shaka. We offered him, he chose to go with Mrs. Shaka to Austin, which is fine. So far, he has done nothing special at Texas, and he has yet to show he's anything more than a guy who happened to catch lightning in a bottle at a mid-major. He's still young and, one would assume, improving. So we'll see.

Shaka SHOULD be miles ahead of Wojo. He has considerably more experience, and he has gotten near the mountaintop. A better comparison to Shaka probably would be his peer, Brad Stevens - who also was a young wunderkind who took an underdog to the 2011 Final Four. The difference is that Stevens actually advanced to his second straight championship game - and came within a whisker of winning a title. Stevens went on to prove he is a brilliant coach, capable of leading an NBA franchise, while Smart has proven ... what?

Please note that I'm not saying Wojo has proven anything either, and I certainly am not saying Wojo is a better coach than Shaka.

Hurley ... who knows? If Wojo had losing seasons his first two years at MU, and then started his third 12-0 to move up to No. 3 in the rankings ... only to limp home 8-12 the rest of the way including 8-10 in the Big East ... capped by a blowout BET tournament loss to a bad team and a First Four loss ... how excited would most folks around ScoopLand be to proclaim him a great young coach?

Now I've got to go umpire a couple of youth baseball games. So as Linda Richman used to say on Coffee Talk:

"Talk amongst yourselves."

[jesmu84]

Find one "Fire Wojo" thread I've started here.  Good luck.  Please enlighten me and fill me in on all of the terrible perspective I've posted here.  I'll hang up and listen.

John Dawson.
Deonte Burton's transfer.
2017 zone.
Wojo's 3 consecutive big east wins.

You've been good on a lot of things too.

[WarriorDad]

Regarding Howland, his lack of success at M-State can't really be used as a `counterfactual Marquette' for at least three reasons:

1) M-State is in the middle of nowhere
2) M-State has nowhere near the the bball resources that MU does (how much does Howland make at M-State?)
3) Howland landing at M-State--a terrible bball school--may have led him to say "ah, f*ck it...that SI article tainted my future...I'm effectively throwing in the towel."

He makes $2.05 million

Mississippi State has a Final four in the 90's. 

[BallBoy]

Let's not forget Shaka done deal. He self selected out so I would put him to the bottom of the list. Above Howland and Cuonzo. Which leaves Wojo, Bennett and Hurley. Bennett has the best background so I would likely put him at the top of the list. Let's also not forget Hurley came from Duke as well so we would still hear from the Wojo haters who only dislike him because he is from Duke. Hurley did make the tourney but in a historically bad PAC12. Only conference that hasn't sent a team into the second round. A good coach in a bad league doesn't necessarily translate. I look at Wojo's teams getting better every year and I say trajectory is good so I would give him a slight advantage.

Bennett
Wojo
Hurley
Shaka
——— NCAA Violation increases
Cuonzo
Howland

[forgetful]

Regarding Howland, his lack of success at M-State can't really be used as a `counterfactual Marquette' for at least three reasons:

1) M-State is in the middle of nowhere
2) M-State has nowhere near the the bball resources that MU does (how much does Howland make at M-State?)
3) Howland landing at M-State--a terrible bball school--may have led him to say "ah, f*ck it...that SI article tainted my future...I'm effectively throwing in the towel."

1) Yes, but the south has a lot of talent, and M-State is a desirable location for them.  Hence a final 4 in the 90's.
 
2). Not true.  Miss. St. spends $70M each year on athletics.  Budget wise, they end up allocating a lot of common resources to Football, even if it is used extensively by Basketball.  It allows them to show that more sports are generating profit.  Resources wise, they are on par with MU.

3) Also not true.  Stansbury was 292-166, averaging 21 wins per season, was ranked 6 seasons and made 6 tournaments.  Miss St. screwed up his retirement hiring Rick Ray who had a dismal 3 seasons before being replaced by Howland.  They were a very solid basketball school, who had 1 bad hire.