How UIC is defying the odds and actually growing

[Galway Eagle]

Not every young person that shared a semi-crappy apartment in Rogers Park right out of college with a roommate or two will be able to afford to eventually move to an affluent area of the city and pay for private school tuition.  Those are going to be a plurality of the folks moving out to the burbs, along with the folks that would rather have 2,500 square foot house on a quarter acre in Wheaton for the same price as a  900 square foot condo in Lakeview.

Why are those two the only options?

[warriorchick]

Why are those two the only options?

I did not say it was. 

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Nothing wrong with public school and growing up in a nice Rogers Park condo.

You would have to pay me a lot of money to live in Wheaton. Evanston and Skokie are about my outer limits.

[Galway Eagle]

I did not say it was.

Seemed to be an insinuation. My apologies for misinterpreting that.

I am curious are you all from suburbs initially so that type of lifestyle is just more ingrained in your nature than it would be for me and Chitown?

Nothing wrong with public school and growing up in a nice Rogers Park condo.

You would have to pay me a lot of money to live in Wheaton. Evanston and Skokie are about my outer limits.

Same I could do a very near suburb that still has an urban feel and I think that's a sentiment that will be shared by most millennials. That's entirely  opinion though.

[Pakuni]

Same I could do a very near suburb that still has an urban feel and I think that's a sentiment that will be shared by most millennials. That's entirely  opinion though.

I have little doubt that's a sentiment that's shared by most millennials.
I think what some of are suggesting is that as those millennials get into their 30s and start having kids, those sentiments will change for many of them. And that's no different than the generations before them.
Look ... it's already happening:
The suburbanization of America marches on. That movement includes millennials, who, as it turns out, are not a monolithic generation of suburb-hating city dwellers.
Most of that generation represents a powerful global trend. They may like the city, but they love the suburbs even more.
They are continuing to migrate to suburbs. According to the latest Census Bureau statistics, 25- to 29-year-olds are about a quarter more likely to move from the city to the suburbs as vice versa; older millennials are more than twice as likely.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/15/sunday-review/future-suburb-millennials.html


I will say this ...  millennials have a far better chance at changing the suburbs than prior generations. I think we'll see more dense, more pedestrian friendly communities with vibrant city centers, rather than just an occasional quaint downtown surrounded by malls.

[Tugg Speedman]

I'll repeat from post above (with link to source)

Where Educated Millennials Are Moving
https://www.forbes.com/sites/petesaunders1/2017/01/12/where-educated-millennials-are-moving/#786ae208d3cc

Here's what I take away from this:

Chicago is a significant outlier in its attraction and concentration of educated Millennials.  The Chicago numbers are worthy of closer inspection. At the metro level, as expected, Chicago has the third highest number of educated Millennials, after New York and Los Angeles.  However, between 2010 and 2015, that number grew only 7.2%, the lowest figure of the 33 metros examined.  Furthermore, the number of educated Millennials in outlying suburban areas grew less than one percent in the same period.  But an interesting transition is taking place in Chicago.  Despite the city representing about one-quarter of the metro area's population, about half of educated Millennials in the metro area are choosing to live in the city, and that number is rapidly rising.

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So why do educated millennials especially hate Chicago's suburbs?

[GooooMarquette]

I disagree with a lot Heisy says, but at this point in time I do think Millenials do lean towards living in urban areas.

Is there any age bracket that doesn't?  According to the World Bank, 82% of the US population lived in urban areas as of 2016.  With numbers that dramatic, I'd be pretty surprised if any age cohort doesn't lean toward living in urban areas....

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.URB.TOTL.IN.ZS?locations=US

[GooooMarquette]

I will say this ...  millennials have a far better chance at changing the suburbs than prior generations. I think we'll see more dense, more pedestrian friendly communities with vibrant city centers, rather than just an occasional quaint downtown surrounded by malls.

That would be an awesome change. 

[Tugg Speedman]

Is there any age bracket that doesn't?  According to the World Bank, 82% of the US population lived in urban areas as of 2016.  With numbers that dramatic, I'd be pretty surprised if any age cohort doesn't lean toward living in urban areas....

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.URB.TOTL.IN.ZS?locations=US

And that 82% is the "most urban" in the world has been in history.

[GooooMarquette]

And that 82% is the "most urban" in the world has been in history.

Yep.  So it isn't just millennials who are moving to urban areas - it's most everybody.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Tuggie,

Rich Millennials want McMansions...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-30/what-rich-millennials-want-in-a-luxury-home-20-000-square-fe

[GGGG]

Yep.  So it isn't just millennials who are moving to urban areas - it's most everybody.

Well, to be fair, we are using two different definitions of the word "urban" here.  What Tugg is talking about is living an an urban neighborhood - like Lakeview or Lincoln Park - versus living in a suburb like Wheaton.

What the World Bank is talking about is living in an "urban amalgamation," which includes both Lakeview and Wheaton, versus living in a rural area.

[Disco Hippie]

Interesting article in the WSJ about this very issue in which they highlight a young couple that moved from the city of Chicago to one of its suburbs.  I've attached a link for fellow scoopers who are WSJ subscribers and a PDF of the article for those who aren't.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/homeownership-rate-rises-in-2017-for-first-time-since-2004-1517334537

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Well, to be fair, we are using two different definitions of the word "urban" here.  What Tugg is talking about is living an an urban neighborhood - like Lakeview or Lincoln Park - versus living in a suburb like Wheaton.

What the World Bank is talking about is living in an "urban amalgamation," which includes both Lakeview and Wheaton, versus living in a rural area.

Wheaton is urban? News to me. I guess it depends where you grow up. When I think urban, I think Chicago, LA, New York etc.

Naperville, Whitefish Bay may as well be cornfields as far as I'm concerned.

[Tugg Speedman]

Wheaton is urban? News to me. I guess it depends where you grow up. When I think urban, I think Chicago, LA, New York etc.

Naperville, Whitefish Bay may as well be cornfields as far as I'm concerned.

+1

don't the FM stations get staticky out there too?

[warriorchick]

+1

don't the FM stations get staticky out there too?

Naw, we just have to have a really big antenna on our roof for TV reception.