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Lennys Tap

Quote from: warriorchick on February 08, 2017, 12:34:23 PM
Pat Summit?  What has she done?

From everything I know about Pat Summit she was a great coach and a fine person. Maybe she didn't have to make any "compromises" to be great - but if she didn't it was because she had so little competition for much of her run. For me, that alone removes her from the top of this list.

MU82

Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 10, 2017, 10:29:48 AM
From everything I know about Pat Summit she was a great coach and a fine person. Maybe she didn't have to make any "compromises" to be great - but if she didn't it was because she had so little competition for much of her run. For me, that alone removes her from the top of this list.

Does it also remove Auerbach? How about any Yankee manager in the pre-free-agent era?
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warriorchick

Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 10, 2017, 10:29:48 AM
From everything I know about Pat Summit she was a great coach and a fine person. Maybe she didn't have to make any "compromises" to be great - but if she didn't it was because she had so little competition for much of her run. For me, that alone removes her from the top of this list.

No one has ever built a dominant powerhouse program from less than what she had to start with - in any sport.  She had literally no budget and no staff. After games, she had to take the uniforms home and wash them in the basement of her apartment building, FFS.

She is the reason that people now pay attention to women's college basketball.
Have some patience, FFS.

MU82

Quote from: warriorchick on February 10, 2017, 12:00:23 PM
No one has ever built a dominant powerhouse program from less than what she had to start with - in any sport.  She had literally no budget and no staff. After games, she had to take the uniforms home and wash them in the basement of her apartment building, FFS.

She is the reason that people now pay attention to women's college basketball.

Agreed, chickadee. Summit is an absolute no-brainer on this list.
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GGGG

Quote from: warriorchick on February 10, 2017, 12:00:23 PM
No one has ever built a dominant powerhouse program from less than what she had to start with - in any sport.  She had literally no budget and no staff. After games, she had to take the uniforms home and wash them in the basement of her apartment building, FFS.

She is the reason that people now pay attention to women's college basketball.


The items you mention in the first paragraph were faced by pretty much every other women's basketball coach at the time so I'm not sure she could get extra credit for those things.

Her record speaks for itself.



MU82

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brandx

Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 10, 2017, 02:38:19 PM
Victor Tikhonov

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Tikhonov_(ice_hockey,_born_1930)

Kinda like Phil Jackson. He had the BEST players every time he won a champiuonship. USSR was a huge country and he had the best of the best. And it is not like he had to go up against NHL players to win. Back then,almost all of his world championships were won against amateur players.

I don't mean to say he wasn't a great coach, but even a good coach with the best players will be extremely successful.

GGGG

And Anatoli Tarasov was probably better anyway.

MU82

Quote from: brandx on February 10, 2017, 03:08:38 PM
Kinda like Phil Jackson. He had the BEST players every time he won a champiuonship. USSR was a huge country and he had the best of the best. And it is not like he had to go up against NHL players to win. Back then,almost all of his world championships were won against amateur players.

I don't mean to say he wasn't a great coach, but even a good coach with the best players will be extremely successful.

I don't know enough about Russian hockey. But I do know that Phil Jackson was a great coach. Jordan, Kobe and Shaq had lots of coaches over the years. Jordan and Kobe only won when Jackson was their coach, and Shaq only won when either Jackson or Riley was his coach (the latter time near the end of his career when Wade carried the Heat).
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muwarrior69

Quote from: MU82 on February 10, 2017, 10:45:50 PM
I don't know enough about Russian hockey. But I do know that Phil Jackson was a great coach. Jordan, Kobe and Shaq had lots of coaches over the years. Jordan and Kobe only won when Jackson was their coach, and Shaq only won when either Jackson or Riley was his coach (the latter time near the end of his career when Wade carried the Heat).

Yeah! I don't buy that either. I would guess there are coaches who have lost with the "best" players too.

GGGG

I can see an average coach winning a championship with the best players.  But 11 of them?  Nah...

MU82

Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on February 11, 2017, 10:32:18 AM
I can see an average coach winning a championship with the best players.  But 11 of them?  Nah...

Yeah ... he was just lucky ... 11 times.
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