HC

[wadesworld]

Rowsey is a role player.  This is not a Wojo thread but his ability to get/retain a dominant PF over the past 3 years stinks.  Additionally he has not upgraded the JJJ position. 3 years is an eternity in college Bball -- lucklily we are a patient bunch.

Again, this is Wojo's second recruiting class. Including his first year as an inability to get anything is silly. Up through April he was recruiting kids to Duke. Pretty tough to get a bunch of studs in after everyone has signed NLIs.

He got the #1 PF in the entire country in his first recruiting class. He signed 2 PFs in his third class. Hauser will be a huge upgrade at "the JJJ position" next year. The facts just don't match up with what you're saying.

[brewcity77]

How quickly things change. Six weeks ago Sacar decided to redshirt because he couldn't crack our deep 11 man rotation. Two transfers and one injury later we're dangerously thin.

I doubt many teams in the country could lose three rotation players and not be dangerously thin.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Again, this is Wojo's second recruiting class. Including his first year as an inability to get anything is silly. Up through April he was recruiting kids to Duke. Pretty tough to get a bunch of studs in after everyone has signed NLIs.

He got the #1 PF in the entire country in his first recruiting class. He signed 2 PFs in his third class. Hauser will be a huge upgrade at "the JJJ position" next year. The facts just don't match up with what you're saying.

PF is a huge hole on the team - I know HE was the guy last year.  Wojo tried but no JUCO or Grad transfer wanted to opt in. Peace?

On the frosh arriving next year I will await the outcome - we know this will take time.

Look there are no facts - all comments are opinions.  There are multiple ways to build the team and these are the results - we are where we are.

[HoopsterBC]

HC unfortunately has not improved or even worked on it seems his mid-range game.  Because of that, he will never be a big time scorer in the Big East.  To many bigs
around the basket.  No right hand, that is for sure and can not jump a lick, white mans disease.  But he can play great D and let the game flow to him.  Once he started
to pass going to the hoop he made plays, that is what he will have to do until he works on other parts of this game.  No ability to even do righty lay-ups.  It will be challenge for him.  As a lot to work on.

MU will need to recruit another wing to replace the scoring of JJJ and Reinhardt next year.  I do not see HC carrying the load.  To bad Duane is hurt.  They needed him
today.  He will play alot next year. 

The last point is coaching.  There was a time-out and he even stated to my guests they are going to go high pick and roll with Carrington going to his left.  That is exactly
what happened.  If I could see that why did not coaches not see that, and I do not watch film like they do?  Bad.  Blocking out, Luke is not tough enough, that was just plain stupid.  Should have brought Matt in and played 2 bigs for the rebound!

[Dr. Blackheart]

At the end of last year, the possibility that he could graduate as MU's all time leading scorer was a topic of discussion. So the slump couldn't have been too damned bad.

The D1 average Orating this season is 102.9 and was 103.6 last season.  Among Top 100 teams last year, he was 86.5.  This season he is 87.0 against Top 100. HC for all games this season is 113.5, puffed up in his cupcake games where they don't scout him versus a sorry 47.9 in the BE so far who do.  He is shooting miserable 9.1% eFG in the Big East and a 37.5 eFG% against Top 100 this season.  Slump got worse for sure but he has always been way below average against Top 100 teams.

Most everyone's efficiency drops against tough competition, but his drops precipitously.  Why?  He is one dimensional as he has been scouted.  Don't get me wrong, the kid is a stud, but he needs to be coached up.  Very similar to Vander in his sophomore year of in that regard, btw.  He was Buzz's pet project between his sophomore and junior years.

[GGGG]

Until he works it out Wojo has to cut HC's minutes, his stats this year are mostly against our non-con cupcakes. Reinhardt needs more minutes, HC plays good defense but his 29 unproductive mins and missed layup tonight really really hurt us.

I completely disagree with this.  HC is our best wing defender.  Katin is much better in small, intense doses.  When he is on the floor longer, like earlier this year, that's when the bad decision making takes over.  Wojo has him on the floor for a reason.

Good thing they don't need his scoring like they did last year.

[NotAnAlum]

HC unfortunately has not improved or even worked on it seems his mid-range game.  Because of that, he will never be a big time scorer in the Big East. 

Guys, the kid is heading into his 3rd semester of ball.  In a stable program he would be a role player at this point.  He is talented, smart and a team player.  Someone with that combination will improve.  By this time next year he will be the kind of guy you go to to steady the ship and win games like yesterday at SH.  People don't remember that at this point in his career McNeal was a turn over machine.  It really wasn't until the end of his Soph year that he became dependable.  This team is still young.  The seniors they do have a KR (a transfer role player) Luke ( a decent center but not a leader) and JJJ (A completely bi-polar player who will always swing wildly from great to awful and not a leader at all, in other words the opposite of HC).  2 years from now when HC and his class are the SENIORS it won't be like this.  It will be like the Badgers are now.  Well executing in the clutch, steady, dependable.  Lets layoff HC for a while.

[tower912]

 Can I get an 'amen'?

[HoopsterBC]

Guys, the kid is heading into his 3rd semester of ball.  In a stable program he would be a role player at this point.  He is talented, smart and a team player.  Someone with that combination will improve.  By this time next year he will be the kind of guy you go to to steady the ship and win games like yesterday at SH.  People don't remember that at this point in his career McNeal was a turn over machine.  It really wasn't until the end of his Soph year that he became dependable.  This team is still young.  The seniors they do have a KR (a transfer role player) Luke ( a decent center but not a leader) and JJJ (A completely bi-polar player who will always swing wildly from great to awful and not a leader at all, in other words the opposite of HC).  2 years from now when HC and his class are the SENIORS it won't be like this.  It will be like the Badgers are now.  Well executing in the clutch, steady, dependable.  Lets layoff HC for a while.

He is what he is.  A nice player but there has been many bloggers who think he might become the leading scorer in MU history.  That will not happen.  Yesterday he played great D,  but at times once he goes to the hoop he is not sure what to do, nor how to finish.  Until he figures out a jump shot, he will have some trouble scoring.  As a slasher, he will have games that he will be able to score.  Secondly, I do not believe in Sophomore slumps.  That is ridiculous.  Teams learn your game,
it is the player that has to make changes, he has not done that yet.  Hope he does,  Vander was awful as a sophomore.  Came on as a junior.

[JamilJaeJamailJrJuan]

HC will be fine, but he's been pretty bad for awhile. He makes that layup with 30 seconds left and we probably win last night. Brutal.

That said, I am not in anyway giving up on him. He'll be fine. Does need to diversify a bit, and he knows that. It will come.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2017/01/01/haanif-cheatham-going-through-offensive-slump/96074864/?from=global&sessionKey=&autologin=

Hannie is aware of it. Says it is just a little slump. Plans to get back in the gym and keep working. Best attitude to have.

[Eldon]

http://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2017/01/01/haanif-cheatham-going-through-offensive-slump/96074864/?from=global&sessionKey=&autologin=

Hannie is aware of it. Says it is just a little slump. Plans to get back in the gym and keep working. Best attitude to have.

One issue that Cheatham has faced is that teams are focusing more on stopping on him, something that Seton Hall head coach Kevin Willard mentioned was a point of emphasis.

Gotta adjust bruh

[Marcus92]

We're only 2 games into the conference season. It's too early to say anything conclusively about Haanif's game. But he has improved in a number of areas since last season:

ORtg
101.1 (2015-16)
113.5 (2016-17)

Turnover rate
24.4% (2015-16)
12.9% (2016-17)

Defensive rebounding percentage
10.8% (2015-16)
14.8% (2016-17)

Assist rate
14.3% (2015-16)
18.2% (2016-17)

Turnovers, not shooting, was my biggest concern about Haney's game last year. Cutting his turnover rate in half while maintaining the same usage and scoring average is a huge difference so far, along with defensive rebounding. I think his offense will come around. But keep one thing in mind — with the addition of Katin, Sam, Andrew and Markus, the team doesn't need Haanif to carry as much of the offensive load.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

92 I agree patience is needed.  Many guards don't completely figure it out on O until late soph or early junior year. 

The stats above though -- Are the last year numbers through mid season or a full season?  Main point is the quality of team greatly increases here forward

[Marcus92]

The stats above though -- Are the last year numbers through mid season or a full season?  Main point is the quality of team greatly increases here forward

Last year's stats are for the full season (per KenPom). So the comparison is incomplete. But that's in part the point — it's way too early in the season for anyone to conclude that Haanif has hit his ceiling and hasn't improved.

[MU82]

I completely disagree with this.  HC is our best wing defender.  Katin is much better in small, intense doses.  When he is on the floor longer, like earlier this year, that's when the bad decision making takes over.  Wojo has him on the floor for a reason.

Good thing they don't need his scoring like they did last year.

So funny that all of a sudden Katin needs to get Haani's minutes. Two weeks ago, many Scoopers were saying Katin was an abject failure and should be rooted to the bench.

Some in this crew would have given up on Kaminsky when he was a soph if they were Bucky backers.

I also enjoyed the idea of putting both Luke and Heldt out there to get the FT rebound. If Heldt got it, was fouled, missed the 1-and-1 and we lost, those same Scoopers would have been ripping Wojo for having Heldt out there. "Anybody can get a rebound when the opponent is shooting FTs. Gotta have our best FT shooters out there." Scoopers crack me up.

[BossplayaOtto]

So funny that all of a sudden Katin needs to get Haani's minutes. Two weeks ago, many Scoopers were saying Katin was an abject failure and should be rooted to the bench.

Some in this crew would have given up on Kaminsky when he was a soph if they were Bucky backers.

I also enjoyed the idea of putting both Luke and Heldt out there to get the FT rebound. If Heldt got it, was fouled, missed the 1-and-1 and we lost, those same Scoopers would have been ripping Wojo for having Heldt out there. "Anybody can get a rebound when the opponent is shooting FTs. Gotta have our best FT shooters out there." Scoopers crack me up.

Except Marquette was not in the bonus.