Some embarrassing posts......

[Herman Cain]

I was in Brooklyn in November and was freakin' thrilled and proud to see Marquette's players and coaches being handed the trophy while MARQUETTE MARQUETTE MARQUETTE flashed on all the scoreboards and signboards at Barclay Center. I watched both the Wisconsin and Providence games with large groups of MU alums and we were beyond excited as we watched both.

We've had some pretty nice moments this season.

Some pretty crappy ones, too, and DePaul was a low.

Most Scoopers who aren't knee-jerk yahoos commented two months ago that the team probably would win a few they "shouldn't" and lose a few they "shouldn't," because that's what young teams do.

Get a grip, try having some perspective ... and don't try to claim there hasn't been a good deal of excitement this season.

I enjoyed going to the games at the Barclays as well.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Good post Chicos.Wojo inherited a bare cupboard.Looks like he is not going the Juco route.It is going to take a few years.He has only had one recruiting class.When  he has 3 or 4 of his recruiting classes you will see the difference.How is Duke and Kentucky playing with all their Freshmen? Not so great and they get the cream of the crop. People should be a shamed of themselves at some of these postings.I ran into a recruit at the game last night. Had a nice talk. Sure hope he does not read this board. Believe me some of them read them. You are doing the program no favors by these comments

Amen

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

In KO's second year they played an A schedule and struggled. Anyone that knew anything about basketball knew they were on the way to bigger things

Exactly how I feel about this team. Don't know if I know anything about basketball though....

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I'm not ready to write Wojo off by any stretch. I do think it's fair to start wondering if it's time to say goodbye if we don't see measurable progress by this time next year.

For me the seat gets warm after next season if no postseason. I won't be calling for heads until after year four of no postseason with Wojo

[Atticus]

Fun to see a few folks here that haven't been around in quite some time. 

At any rate, have we all lost our historical anchors?

How long before Kevin O'Neill got things going?  Year 3, and that was a year with no NIT.  Took until year 4.
Tom Crean?  Took until year 3 to get the first NCAA bid

I have no idea if Wojo is the guy, that's why I always tout 4 to 5 years.  Let him get his class or two classes through, but some of the craziness here.  Goodness.  He's doing it the right way, there are no "issues" on the team, no recruiting "issues", etc. 

Things tend to look a lot better on the court when you have experience, good point guard, etc.  Give it some time.

Chicos, why should a bball coach get more leeway than a football coach? I stated in another thread that it is far more difficult to manage 55-65 inherited players and run an offense/defense that might not be suites for a lot of the existing players. The SEC doesnt mess around. Even UT fans want strong gone.

In bball,all it takes is a couple of great players to not just be competitive but to win big. Why are we settling for low expectations? If wojo was at duke as HC, would he be on the hot seat? At UK? At KU? I could name a dozen other programs in which wojo would be in big trouble right now.

But hey...5 years. More than football coaches get at football factories...

[jesmu84]

Chicos, why should a bball coach get more leeway than a football coach? I stated in another thread that it is far more difficult to manage 55-65 inherited players and run an offense/defense that might not be suites for a lot of the existing players. The SEC doesnt mess around. Even UT fans want strong gone.

In bball,all it takes is a couple of great players to not just be competitive but to win big. Why are we settling for low expectations? If wojo was at duke as HC, would he be on the hot seat? At UK? At KU? I could name a dozen other programs in which wojo would be in big trouble right now.

But hey...5 years. More than football coaches get at football factories...

My guess is Chicos would say those football coaches should get the same amount of time. Maybe he wouldn't.

Continuity is key, for me at least. Look at most of the successful organizations in any sport at any level. Packers, Steelers, Giants, Patriots, Blackhawks, Red Wings, Spurs, etc, etc. For the college ranks, give a coach a full recruiting cycle, unless there's some infractions or other legal problems.

[ChicosBailBonds]

FWIW, Kevin did inherit Tony Smith.   We did go to the NIT Kevin's first year and lost to Penn St. in the first round.   After the insufferable Dukiet regime, that was a big deal.

Correct.  I was a student at the time and worked in the athletic department.  I should have stated we made it year one, my apologies.  Year 3, with Key, Logterman, Mac, etc, we did not make the NIT.  My greater point is that it takes time usually, especially if the roster inherited has some mismatched toys.  I'm not worried.  Another 2 years, then yes, but right now I see trajectory and kids still signing on the bottom line that are considered to be quality players and quality individuals. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

Chico's

In KO's first year he beat ND at home and played Michigan tough the following weekend with nobody on that team and this was in December of that year. There was excitement and action from day one with KO. Two years in to Wojo time and less excitement than when he started surrounding the program.

Where one starts, matters.  KO's time was exciting because we were so dreadful under Dukiet.  A corpse is exciting at that point.  For Wojo, he came in after an average year, but only 1 year removed from an Elite 8 qualifier.  In my view, that sets up expectations much differently.

I remember KO's first year well.  Bruce Hayes was on the team, a pretty damn good Tony Smith at that point.    Averaged 24 points per game, was an All American candidate and went on to play for the Lakers.  I would say point blank that Tony in Kevin's first year is better than ANYBODY we have on our team today.  That doesn't mean some guys on this team might be better than him down the road, but Tony Smith as a senior was an absolute stud.

We did beat ND that year, we also lost to ND that year.  ND was eh...16-13, but it had been a long time since we beat them so it was cool to rush the court (a few of us here did it).

[WarriorPride68]

I ran into a recruit at the game last night. Had a nice talk. Sure hope he does not read this board. Believe me some of them read them. You are doing the program no favors by these comments

Did you get Herro's autograph?

[ChicosBailBonds]

In KO's second year they played an A schedule and struggled. Anyone that knew anything about basketball knew they were on the way to bigger things

The non-conference schedule that year was amazing.  The MCC, was pretty bad.

LA Gear....now that was amazing.....amazingly bad.

[WarriorPride68]

LA Gear....now that was amazing.....amazingly bad.

Amazingly fresh as fucc

[ChicosBailBonds]

Chicos, why should a bball coach get more leeway than a football coach? I stated in another thread that it is far more difficult to manage 55-65 inherited players and run an offense/defense that might not be suites for a lot of the existing players. The SEC doesnt mess around. Even UT fans want strong gone.

In bball,all it takes is a couple of great players to not just be competitive but to win big. Why are we settling for low expectations? If wojo was at duke as HC, would he be on the hot seat? At UK? At KU? I could name a dozen other programs in which wojo would be in big trouble right now.

But hey...5 years. More than football coaches get at football factories...

People can put any years they want on it, but I'm just telling you what I do.   Is it harder to manage more football players when the staff is also much bigger to do that.  So it's proportional in my view.  Only one game a week, only 6 road trips a year, not 14.  Less time away from campus to travel, more time in school, etc.

The pressure is on a football coach more than basketball because of the revenue driven by football.  It funds so much of the athletic department.  Basketball, though it is very important, the financial outlays aren't nearly the same as it relates so I think that has something to do with it, but in my view they should get the same amount of time.  I remember Colorado fans wanting to kick McCartney out.  They gave him one more year, and they were rewarded with a national title.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Amazingly fresh as fucc

http://journaltimes.com/sports/it-s-the-shoes-coach/article_bca8f8ad-b0de-5b21-9ec0-578a192fb861.html

[Mutaman]

Only older. Your over the top totally bonkers "I'm embarrassed" reaction in 2010 was a swipe at our coach. Nothing more. BS the new guys all you want but you can't BS those of us who were on Scoop back then.

I am shocked, shocked I tell you.