[Matt Velazquez] Young Marquette team gets another growth opportunity in 'secret scrimmage'

[MuMark]

@BSnowScout: General vibe coming from the Stanford v Marquette scrimmage (wasn't played as a 40 minute game) is that Henry Ellenson is the real deal

[Brewtown Andy]

@BSnowScout: General vibe coming from the Stanford v Marquette scrimmage (wasn't played as a 40 minute game) is that Henry Ellenson is the real deal

I do love that Dawkins & Wojo are smart enough to think outside the box on these scrimmages.

[mu03eng]

I do love that Dawkins & Wojo are smart enough to think outside the box on these scrimmages.

How did they think outside the box on this?

[Brewtown Andy]

How did they think outside the box on this?

NCAA sets no restrictions on the "secret" scrimmage.  Coaches can do whatever they agree to do with them.  Scenarios, timing, length, whatever.  If Dawkins and Wojo want to play a series of five minute games where one team starts with a 1 point lead and everyone has four fouls for four hours, there's nothing stopping them from doing that.

If you see one of the scrimmages being talked about like it's a 40 minute game, then at least one of the coaches involved is wasting his team's time.

[4everwarriors]

Big Papa, yo didn't bring da good karma to CO this weekend. Maybe ya should reconsider followin' the locals in person goin' forward, hey?

[Benny B]

Blame it on the altitude, because you know, it's not like Milwaukee's elevation is ~500 feet higher than Stanford or something.

The guys didn't execute the way they should have against a veteran team in a pre-season exhibition game... so what?

[Lennys Tap]

Blame it on the altitude, because you know, it's not like Milwaukee's elevation is ~500 feet higher than Stanford or something.

The guys didn't execute the way they should have against a veteran team in a pre-season exhibition game... so what?

Yeah, if our guys were dragging and Stanford"s weren't it wasn't because of altitude. It was because their guys were in better shape.

[Big Daddy 84]

Big Papa, yo didn't bring da good karma to CO this weekend. Maybe ya should reconsider followin' the locals in person goin' forward, hey?

No more road trips for me.  Unless I am traveling with the Louisville Condoms ...  that is a program I would like to bring my road voodoo skills to.

[GGGG]

By NCAA rules he can't say anything specifically about the results, and he's not going to come out here and say, "Tracy Carter played like a freshman and really sucked."  He said essentially the only things he could possibly say with a closed door scrimmage.

Actually he can.  Rules allow schools to release results and stats. 

https://twitter.com/goodmanespn/status/660612620559454208

[Nukem2]

Actually he can.  Rules allow schools to release results and stats. 

https://twitter.com/goodmanespn/status/660612620559454208

of course, the results may be rather obscure since teams don't necessarily do a full 40 minute scrimmage as they may do ituations instead.

[wadesworld]

Actually he can.  Rules allow schools to release results and stats. 

https://twitter.com/goodmanespn/status/660612620559454208

I guess I don't understand how they can release results and stats when they're not allowed to keep score during the scrimmages.

[MuMark]

Rules have obviously changed...they can keep score now.....or Nebraska is going to be in big trouble.....
http://www.huskers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=100&ATCLID=210463852

[GGGG]

I guess I don't understand how they can release results and stats when they're not allowed to keep score during the scrimmages.

I think they have been allowed to keep score.  I think Matt V. was wrong about that.

[wadesworld]

Rules have obviously changed...they can keep score now.....or Nebraska is going to be in big trouble.....
http://www.huskers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=100&ATCLID=210463852

I think they have been allowed to keep score.  I think Matt V. was wrong about that.

Got it.  Then I guess it was just Wojo not really giving a whole lot of information.

[Benny B]

I think they have been allowed to keep score.  I think Matt V. was wrong about that.

I think the crux here is that the coaches/schools are permitted to decide what is/isn't released to the public - be it score, stats, results, narratives, etc. 

So even though both sides likely kept a score book (it's virtually impossible when both teams have someone logging notes/stats during the scrimmage), Wojo and Dawkins likely agreed beforehand not to release, regardless of the results.

[CTWarrior]

Teams already lining up to be the 8 or 9 in their bracket for the annual choke 

It was parents weekend at my son's college In Pennsylvania so the wife and I went down this past weekend.  Met some other parents at breakfast on Saturday and we got to talking.  It turns out the father I was talking to was a Villanova alum,  So we're chatting and he compliments Marquette on the basketball program.

So I said, "Heck, you guys have been great the last couple years.  Well, at least until the NCAA tournament starts, anyway."

[MomofMUltiples]

I think they have been allowed to keep score.  I think Matt V. was wrong about that.

I'm sure it's just like when my boys were playing U6-U8 sports.  You weren't supposed to keep score, but at the end they always knew who won.

[Dawson Rental]

It was parents weekend at my son's college In Pennsylvania so the wife and I went down this past weekend.  Met some other parents at breakfast on Saturday and we got to talking.  It turns out the father I was talking to was a Villanova alum,  So we're chatting and he compliments Marquette on the basketball program.

So I said, "Heck, you guys have been great the last couple years.  Well, at least until the NCAA tournament starts, anyway."

Boom!  And another rivalry ignited.   

[NotAnAlum]

So even though both sides likely kept a score book (it's virtually impossible when both teams have someone logging notes/stats during the scrimmage), Wojo and Dawkins likely agreed beforehand not to release, regardless of the results.

Spoke with a co-worker who is very close with one of the players.  She said he told her that "MU won".

[Benny B]

Spoke with a co-worker who is very close with one of the players.  She said he told her that "MU won".

Of course Wally said that.  He's not going to go, "yeah... Henry got his ass kicked, mom."

[Dawson Rental]

High majors are a little different than Italian pro teams.   If you are basing your season predictions off of the Italy trip...... recalculate.

Generally speaking, Italian pro teams could wipe the floor with high major college teams.  Now Icelandic pro teams, ad hoc Italian teams made up of whoever was in town at that time and felt like playing, and Lithuanian school teams are good but beatable competition.

[Benny B]

Generally speaking, Italian pro teams could wipe the floor with high major college teams.  Now Icelandic pro teams, ad hoc Italian teams made up of whoever was in town at that time and felt like playing, and Lithuanian school teams are good but beatable competition.

Maybe Tower was talking about Italians on pro teams.

[tower912]

Generally speaking, Italian pro teams could wipe the floor with high major college teams.  Now Icelandic pro teams, ad hoc Italian teams made up of whoever was in town at that time and felt like playing, and Lithuanian school teams are good but beatable competition.

Perhaps.   The ones MU played, however, were not good. 

[Dawson Rental]

Perhaps.   The ones MU played, however, were not good.

My point was that MU didn't play Italian league pro teams.  The Icelandic pro team was the only pro team that they met.

[Brewtown Andy]

My point was that MU didn't play Italian league pro teams.  The Icelandic pro team was the only pro team that they met.

SAM Basket Massagno was the team Jake Thomas played for last season.  I think Chris Grimm played for them, too?