Crean

[MU82]

Please - 3 years of walk-ons at IU???  Took 3 years just to recruit some scholarship players and get them on the court???  UK does this every year. 

What a crock of an excuse and not even true.  Nonetheless, even if true, who's fault is it that walk-on's are playing after the first year?  After all, "it's IU".  Top 5 national program.  Final Four coach.  Players would flock to go there, right?  Guess not...

Good point, PE.

I actually thought one of the first signs of trouble for IU under Crean was that by Year 3 he was still having so little success. Good coaches at great basketball schools should be able to rebuild more quickly -- not saying they should have contended for a BT title but at least shouldn't have been embarrassingly bad.

Sign 2 was that he was crushed in the 2013 Sweet 16 despite two top-5 draft picks and several good supporting players. Obviously outclassed.

Sign 3, of course, was last season. A major regression despite having another top-10 pick and some good supporting players.

And now is he actually having trouble recruiting 4-star players? I mean that as a real question because I don't follow recruiting other than Marquette's.

[Jay Bee]

And now is he actually having trouble recruiting 4-star players? I mean that as a real question because I don't follow recruiting other than Marquette's.

No. I4.

That's all you need to say to recruit there. I4. And he does.

And kids are into it. BOATLOADS of talent on their roster, year in and year out. Just haven't gotten it to work.

Enough talent (and enough mediocrity in the B1G) this season to do very well.

[Tugg Speedman]

Good point, PE.

I actually thought one of the first signs of trouble for IU under Crean was that by Year 3 he was still having so little success. Good coaches at great basketball schools should be able to rebuild more quickly -- not saying they should have contended for a BT title but at least shouldn't have been embarrassingly bad.

Sign 2 was that he was crushed in the 2013 Sweet 16 despite two top-5 draft picks and several good supporting players. Obviously outclassed.

Sign 3, of course, was last season. A major regression despite having another top-10 pick and some good supporting players.

And now is he actually having trouble recruiting 4-star players? I mean that as a real question because I don't follow recruiting other than Marquette's.

If MU had a Noah Vonleh type player last year and did not make the tourney, wouldn't we have been demanding someone's head?  We were pissed that we did not make it with Otule/Ox in the middle!

If MU had a player of Luke Fischer's caliber leave mid-season, would be be worried about the direction of the program? (About the only transfer of Fischer's caliber we had under Brent was J-May)

It is about what is happening now (noted above) and the fact that IU's 2013 class was ranked 4 (ESPN), it 2014 class was ranked 22 and its 2015 class (for now) has two commits, neither which is top 100 (first post above).  Notice a trend?  the IU faithful have and they do not like it.  And why should they?  Crean has been paid nicely for fixing the mess.  They now want him to be more like Izzo, which is why they hired him!  Do you see that happening?

[MU82]

If MU had a Noah Vonleh type player last year and did not make the tourney, wouldn't we have been demanding someone's head?  We were pissed that we did not make it with Otule/Ox in the middle!

If MU had a player of Luke Fischer's caliber leave mid-season, would be be worried about the direction of the program? (About the only transfer of Fischer's caliber we had under Brent was J-May)

It is about what is happening now (noted above) and the fact that IU's 2013 class was ranked 4 (ESPN), it 2014 class was ranked 22 and its 2015 class (for now) has two commits, neither which is top 100 (first post above).  Notice a trend?  the IU faithful have and they do not like it.  And why should they?  Crean has been paid nicely for fixing the mess.  They now want him to be more like Izzo, which is why they hired him!  Do you see that happening?

I'm not talking about Marquette. I'm talking about Indiana. And yes, if I were a Hoosiers fan, I would not have been pleased about last season.

I believe your last paragraph supports what I said.