Doc and Marquette

[MUDPT]

On Bill Simmons's podcast with Al Michaels this week, he mentioned Doc had some sort of race problem at Marquette. First I had heard of anything.  I googled and found this article:  http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2014-04-28/sports/os-sterling-clippers-doc-rivers-brian-schmitz-0429-20140428_1_kris-campion-hank-raymond-freshman-basketball-star 

Anybody on campus then that remembers this?  Also, awesome Hank story.

[4everwarriors]

I've never had no problem

[Dawson Rental]

On Bill Simmons's podcast with Al Michaels this week, he mentioned Doc had some sort of race problem at Marquette. First I had heard of anything.  I googled and found this article:  http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2014-04-28/sports/os-sterling-clippers-doc-rivers-brian-schmitz-0429-20140428_1_kris-campion-hank-raymond-freshman-basketball-star  

Anybody on campus then that remembers this?  Also, awesome Hank story.

This was discussed at length here on Scoop four (?) years ago.  My signature line used to be a quote from Doc about the house fire.

Kris' former boyfriend was Marc Marotta.  Kris and Doc became an item when Marc was out of town.  Marotta felt stabbed in the back and was quite po'd.  Could still be for all I know.

[keefe]

This was discussed at length here on Scoop four (?) years ago.  My signature line used to be a quote from Doc about the house fire.

Kris' former boyfriend was Marc Marotta.  Kris and Doc became an item when Marc was out of town.  Marotta felt stabbed in the back and was quite po'd.  Could still be for all I know.

Uh, that's not all. Marquette is largely homogeneous white middle class Catholic. A white woman dating a black man was not accepted by everyone in the Marquette community back then. I respect Rivers for staying above the ignorance of the few and seeing the good in the whole. His continued contributions to Marquette are to his great credit.

[tower912]

It was a little bit of both.   Stealing a friend's girlfriend is bad enough.  (Yes, I know they lived happily ever after)   There is no way to avoid friction within the locker room when a girl is involved.    At the time, in the early 80's, interracial dating was not universally accepted.    So, yes, there was a racist element to some of the friction. 

[mileskishnish72]

The surprise to me in that article was the comment from Jeremiah. If that's original then that kid is truly wise beyond his years. Even if he picked it up from some source, but lives it, it's still pretty damn impressive.

[ChicosBailBonds]

The surprise to me in that article was the comment from Jeremiah. If that's original then that kid is truly wise beyond his years. Even if he picked it up from some source, but lives it, it's still pretty damn impressive.

Well, he is an IU grad.   

[keefe]

Well, he is an IU grad.   

It's refreshing to witness a man overcoming significant shortcomings

[ChicosBailBonds]

It's refreshing to witness a man overcoming significant shortcomings

Some never do

[keefe]

Some never do

That sumbitch had the double burden of being both a Harvard and a Michigan grad. Little wonder he flipped out. Never, ever trust anyone carrying that cross...

[Dawson Rental]

That sumbitch had the double burden of being both a Harvard and a Michigan grad. Little wonder he flipped out. Never, ever trust anyone carrying that cross...

I've heard of strong men running that gauntlet finding themselves reduced to writing haiku and posting pictures of female members of the IDF...

[keefe]

I've heard of strong men running that gauntlet finding themselves reduced to writing haiku and posting pictures of female members of the IDF...

It often comes down to haikus or pipe bombs. It just depends on what one had for dinner the night before...

[augoman]

IIRC Doc and Marc were roomies-that's how Chris got to know Doc while dating Marc.  I used to see her waiting for Marc after games outside the licker room.  That summer Marc went to DC to serve as a Congressional aide, and Chris was already friendly with Doc.
Bit of a surprise for Marc when he got home.  Hard feelings are understandable.

[willie warrior]

It was a little bit of both.   Stealing a friend's girlfriend is bad enough.  (Yes, I know they lived happily ever after)   There is no way to avoid friction within the locker room when a girl is involved.    At the time, in the early 80's, interracial dating was not universally accepted.    So, yes, there was a racist element to some of the friction. 

It probably hurt Marotta quite a bit, but he appears to be doing quite well for himself, so he was able to get over it.

[leever]

IIRC Doc and Marc were roomies-that's how Chris got to know Doc while dating Marc.  I used to see her waiting for Marc after games outside the licker room. 

I'm really hoping this is a typo.

[keefe]

It probably hurt Marotta quite a bit, but he appears to be doing quite well for himself, so he was able to get over it.

Perhaps the pain of that rejection is what put him on the trajectory that ended with him building the Versailles of  Mequon.

[willie warrior]

Perhaps the pain of that rejection is what put him on the trajectory that ended with him building the Versailles of  Mequon.

Yes that was what I was referring to--the Taj Mahal of the Milwaukee metro area. And Marotta probably has a trophy wife, although I do not know for sure.

[GGGG]

Yes that was what I was referring to--the Taj Mahal of the Milwaukee metro area. And Marotta probably has a trophy wife, although I do not know for sure.

Former MU cheerleader from the late 80s.

https://twitter.com/KimMarotta

Rumors are they are separated willie, so there might be an opening.

[4everwarriors]

I'm really hoping this is a typo.

I'll have what he's havin'.

[augoman]

I'm really hoping this is a typo.

Good God!  Might have been Freudian...

[mileskishnish72]

The licker room? Might be an opening?
Jeez, the season can't come fast enough.

[keefe]

The licker room? Might be an opening?

Well, yea...

[Dan]

The licker room? I was not aware that the BC sold carryouts.

[LloydMooresLegs]

Former MU cheerleader from the late 80s.

https://twitter.com/KimMarotta

Rumors are they are separated willie, so there might be an opening.

The licker room? Might be an opening?
Jeez, the season can't come fast enough.

You forgot the "separated willie"

[seakm4]

On Bill Simmons's podcast with Al Michaels this week, he mentioned Doc had some sort of race problem at Marquette. First I had heard of anything.  I googled and found this article:  http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2014-04-28/sports/os-sterling-clippers-doc-rivers-brian-schmitz-0429-20140428_1_kris-campion-hank-raymond-freshman-basketball-star 

Anybody on campus then that remembers this?  Also, awesome Hank story.

Maybe it's because of the boring, annoying "traditional" SHEET that we keep bringing up