Juan and Derrick On Buzz's Rapid Substitution

[Tugg Speedman]

http://www.youtube.com/v/VCojia6LJ2c

I watched this ... He looks like Burton

[NersEllenson]

NERS, thank you for taking it in the vein it was intended.   To be fair to you, I am reading anything you post in this thread, since I took that shot. 

No worries Tower...it was funny...yet to Mubuzz's point...there are also times where I don't bring the topic up and others do...

I've long respected you as a poster, and still do, even though we certainly disagree over the topic of Derrick.  I've probably been too harsh/hard on him...as obviously he is doing his best and is a great kid...just feel he's better suited to be a backup...and think Dawson could have given us a better chance to win at this point if he'd been groomed dating back to early non-conference.

As I said though...would be thrilled if the team makes NCAA and if Derrick plays a big part in that...just not holding out hope..

[jesmu84]

Why do posters get mad about the Derrick/Dawson debate being brought up all the time? It appears to me that even when nobody is talking about this in a thread one of the pro Derrick supporters takes little potshots at people. If you want the debate to go away quit playing little child's games and making snide remarks or quit complaining when your boy gets ripped on here. It's really pathetic.

For about a week before the Seton Hall game, Ners had decided to tone it down with the debate. During that time, the board was a lovely place - talking about Big East recruiting, Stone, etc - and no one was playing child's game or making snide remarks. Hours after the SHU game, one where I'm sure everyone assumed the debate wouldn't be brought up again d/t the outcome of the game, Ners was back at it - going so far as to post pictures from the game and using "#12" to reference Derrick instead of his actual name. At that point, the games/remarks began - and I personally believe they were a little justified.

But I agree. Let's dispense with the multiple new posts over the same subject and dispense with the remarks.

[jesmu84]

No worries Tower...it was funny...yet to Mubuzz's point...there are also times where I don't bring the topic up and others do...

I've long respected you as a poster, and still do, even though we certainly disagree over the topic of Derrick.  I've probably been too harsh/hard on him...as obviously he is doing his best and is a great kid...just feel he's better suited to be a backup...and think Dawson could have given us a better chance to win at this point if he'd been groomed dating back to early non-conference.

As I said though...would be thrilled if the team makes NCAA and if Derrick plays a big part in that...just not holding out hope..

Honestly, I do think Dawson's ceiling is higher than Derrick and have said so many times before. I don't know if even playing him 20min/game all the way from the beginning of the season would have gotten him to the level Derrick's at currently. No one can know that. But, regardless, Buzz chose not to do that. And, because of that decision, I think the comparison of them at their current level right now, Derrick is, for better or worse, our best chance; unfortunate as that may be.

[willie warrior]

Why do posters get mad about the Derrick/Dawson debate being brought up all the time? It appears to me that even when nobody is talking about this in a thread one of the pro Derrick supporters takes little potshots at people. If you want the debate to go away quit playing little child's games and making snide remarks or quit complaining when your boy gets ripped on here. It's really pathetic.

You mean like the Sultan of Slurpery above did?

[Archies Bat]

You mean like the Sultan of Slurpery above did?

Where?  One post in this thread, and neither are mentioned.

[bilsu]

Lol...nice Tower.  I'd love nothing more than for Derrick to put us on his back and will us to win, and guide us into the NCAA tourney...I'd gladly eat that crap burger...it it were to happen...but I expect the same 5.2ppg, 4 apg, 3.5 rpg, on poor shooting percentages from everywhere - 3, 2 and 1 - in 29.5 minutes....and no wins over Top 25 teams to continue..from here on out.  Hate to be so pessimistic...but just know it is virtually impossible to score wins against Top 50 teams with such a deficit at PG.

I think you could argue that this happen the last game. Seton Hall intentionally fouled him with about 2 minutes to go and he swished both free throws and went 1-2 a little while later. He also had one basket on an assist from Jamil. He had another basket in second half, but I do not remember when.  However, in the last three minutes he scored 5 points, which kept Seton Hall from getting back in the game. Besides that he is averaging more than 5.2 points in Big East play. His numbers have gone up during Big East season, showing that he continues to improve.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

You mean like the Sultan of Slurpery above did?

Aren't you the guy that whines about name calling?

[GGGG]

You might not care and a lot of other people might not care. This isn't 70's and 80's where players were just happy to be a part of a program. That is why the transfer rate is so high in college basketball. They don't need to adjust...if they don't like it they will just leave, happens all the time.

If any player leaves because of Buzz's rapid substitution patterns, then they shouldn't be here anyway.  And of course the freshmen aren't going to necessarily understand it.  It has never happened to them before. 

Buzz is going to coach how he is going to coach.  Why should he change?  He's been successful.

[GGGG]

While I agree with what you are saying, how many transfers in general move on to a better program than the one they left?  My guess would be the majority of players who transfer take a step down. 

There really are three types. 

The vast majority are those who leave good programs because they simply aren't as good as advertised.  (Jamail, Erick Williams, etc.)

Then there are those who are better than advertised who want to upgrade to a better team.  (Trent, Tarik Black from Memphis to Kansas, etc.)

And finally there are those who simply are poor fits or disciplinary problems.  (McKay, Reggie Smith, Maymon)

A player like JJJ isn't going to have a high level of major suitors after him IMO.  He might be homesick and would rather be closer to home.  Perhaps he could go to a place like Alabama, who was the runner up when he chose MU.  But that's likely not going to get him into deep tourney runs, etc.  I am certainly not saying that Marquette doesn't need him, but right now MU is probably the best program he can play for.  And leaving now after investing so much time, when there will be plenty of PT up for grabs next year, is likely not a good decision for him.