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Author Topic: Hoop Dreams 20 years later  (Read 11469 times)

CTWarrior

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Re: Hoop Dreams 20 years later
« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2014, 12:09:51 PM »
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 17, 2014, 11:54:22 AM
Some recent ones I've really liked - The Fighter (great performance by Christian Bale), Moneyball and Win Win (an indie film with Paul Giamatti as a struggling lawyer/wrestling coach). Not as recent but also worth a look - The Wrestler (Mickey Rourke's comeback), Seabiscuit, Friday Night Lights and Tin Cup.

All good ones.  I made my original list off the top of my head while in a boring conference call.  I'm sure I missed some others, too.  Moneyball was very different from the book (which I loved), but liked it very much anyway.  I've seen bits and pieces of Win Win, but I need to make a point of watching it start to finish.
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Re: Hoop Dreams 20 years later
« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2014, 12:20:25 PM »
Quote from: keefe on January 17, 2014, 11:39:45 AM
It's a Disney movie. Of course it's formulaic. And there's nothing wrong with that. It was never positioned as anything more than feel good entertainment. Not everything needs to be Bergman or Kurosawa. You can't eat steak every meal and every culture has developed dessert cuisine for a reason.

I agree with everything you say, but it didn't work for me even on that simple level.  Anyway, while I may say a centerfielder or a point guard stinks, I don't normally comment about entertainment in thsoe terms because just because I don't like something, it doesn't mean it isn't good.  It just means I don't like it.
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Re: Hoop Dreams 20 years later
« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2014, 12:22:14 PM »
Any Kevin Costner baseball movie is good. Bull Durham and For the Love of the Game were best. Easy to see that he played some ball in his day. Tim Robbins, on the other hand, had to be one of the last guys picked when choosing teams as a kid.

All I ask for (besides a good story) is that the actors actually played ball before. Nothing puts an end to a movie quicker for me than to watch a baseball scene and have an actor throwing like a little girl or obviously playing baseball for the 1st time. It only takes seeing one throw or one catch to see it. No camera angle can hide a non-athlete. Not even when they basically just show his face as he is pitching.
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Re: Hoop Dreams 20 years later
« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2014, 12:54:22 PM »
My all time favorite sports movie is Rudy

Rudy turned out to be your typical ND alum in real life.
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Re: Hoop Dreams 20 years later
« Reply #29 on: January 17, 2014, 01:28:19 PM »
Quote from: CTWarrior on January 17, 2014, 12:09:51 PM
All good ones.  I made my original list off the top of my head while in a boring conference call.  I'm sure I missed some others, too.  Moneyball was very different from the book (which I loved), but liked it very much anyway.  I've seen bits and pieces of Win Win, but I need to make a point of watching it start to finish.

Like you, I loved Moneyball (the book). Didn't see a movie there, though. I was pleasantly surprised.


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Re: Hoop Dreams 20 years later
« Reply #30 on: January 17, 2014, 01:33:09 PM »
Just remembered another good one I saw recently - 42 (the Jackie Robinson story) - very well done, I thought.
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Re: Hoop Dreams 20 years later
« Reply #31 on: January 17, 2014, 01:36:30 PM »
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 17, 2014, 01:33:09 PM
Just remembered another good one I saw recently - 42 (the Jackie Robinson story) - very well done, I thought.

That was good.  My wife even liked that one.
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Re: Hoop Dreams 20 years later
« Reply #32 on: January 17, 2014, 02:34:40 PM »
Quote from: CTWarrior on January 17, 2014, 10:55:36 AM
Comments like "No way they pitch to Geena Davis with first base open and Marla Hooch off on her honeymoon!"  

This is the funniest thing I've read in a while.

We need more Marla Hooch takes!!!


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Re: Hoop Dreams 20 years later
« Reply #33 on: January 17, 2014, 02:38:11 PM »
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 17, 2014, 11:28:01 AM
The Natural

One of my favorites, regardless of genre. Written by an excellent writer, too. I enjoy reading Malamud.
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Re: Hoop Dreams 20 years later
« Reply #34 on: January 17, 2014, 02:58:38 PM »
Quote from: keefe on January 17, 2014, 02:38:11 PM
One of my favorites, regardless of genre. Written by an excellent writer, too. I enjoy reading Malamud.

As Digger might say, Bernard could flat out write. The Fixer was haunting but more than a little depressing.
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Re: Hoop Dreams 20 years later
« Reply #35 on: January 17, 2014, 03:32:54 PM »
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 17, 2014, 02:58:38 PM
As Digger might say, Bernard could flat out write. The Fixer was haunting but more than a little depressing.

Same was true of the Natural, though not to the same extent, snd the movie turned that on its ear anyway.  Loved The Fixer, too. 

As far as the movie, Robert Redford was surprisingly convincing as a left hander power hitter.  Beautiful swing.
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Re: Hoop Dreams 20 years later
« Reply #36 on: January 17, 2014, 03:51:08 PM »
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 17, 2014, 11:54:22 AM
Some recent ones I've really liked - The Fighter (great performance by Christian Bale), Moneyball and Win Win (an indie film with Paul Giamatti as a struggling lawyer/wrestling coach). Not as recent but also worth a look - The Wrestler (Mickey Rourke's comeback), Seabiscuit, Friday Night Lights and Tin Cup.

The Wrestler! Yes!

You know, the top 10 I listed is from a few years ago and as I was typing it in here I was trying to think if there were any in the last 5 years that belonged in it. I thought about Seabiscuit and The Fighter and Moneyball and didn't think any quite broke in there. But I loved The Wrestler and thought it should have won the Oscar in 2008 but it wasn't even nominated. And everybody, even Sean Penn, knows Rourke should have won it for Best Actor.

The debate here might be if pro wrestling qualifies as a subject for a sports movie, but what the hell!
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Re: Hoop Dreams 20 years later
« Reply #37 on: January 18, 2014, 01:47:39 AM »
Quote from: MU82 on January 17, 2014, 03:51:08 PM
The Wrestler! Yes!

You know, the top 10 I listed is from a few years ago and as I was typing it in here I was trying to think if there were any in the last 5 years that belonged in it. I thought about Seabiscuit and The Fighter and Moneyball and didn't think any quite broke in there. But I loved The Wrestler and thought it should have won the Oscar in 2008 but it wasn't even nominated. And everybody, even Sean Penn, knows Rourke should have won it for Best Actor.

The debate here might be if pro wrestling qualifies as a subject for a sports movie, but what the hell!

Penn was third at best that year. Should have been Rourke or Bradd Pitt. I honestly think the Academy went with Penn because of the theme of his film and the whole Prop 8 thing going down at the time.
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Re: Hoop Dreams 20 years later
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Re: Hoop Dreams 20 years later
« Reply #39 on: January 18, 2014, 03:39:23 AM »
I love Remember the Titans if only for the fact that Julius and Gary grew up to become Avon Barksdale and Opie Winston





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Re: Hoop Dreams 20 years later
« Reply #40 on: January 18, 2014, 08:50:38 AM »
Quote from: Skitch on January 18, 2014, 03:39:23 AM
I love Remember the Titans if only for the fact that Julius and Gary grew up to become Avon Barksdale and Opie Winston







Nice factoid.

I love me some Avon and Opie!
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Re: Hoop Dreams 20 years later
« Reply #41 on: January 18, 2014, 09:46:16 AM »
Quote from: MU82 on January 17, 2014, 03:51:08 PM
The debate here might be if pro wrestling qualifies as a subject for a sports movie, but what the hell!

If the answer is "yes," then the best sports movie of all time may be No Holds Barred.

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Re: Hoop Dreams 20 years later
« Reply #42 on: January 18, 2014, 10:10:39 AM »
Lincoln Hawk would like a word with all these sports movies.

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Re: Hoop Dreams 20 years later
« Reply #43 on: January 18, 2014, 10:15:58 AM »
My short list of best sports movies:

Raging Bull
Slap Shot
Beer League
The Huster
Hoop Dreams
Point Break
The Wrestler
Jerry Maguire
Bill Durham
This Sporting Life
Tin Cup
Poolhall Junkies
A League of Their Own
Hoosiers
Rocky
Rocky IV
Million Dollar Baby
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Re: Hoop Dreams 20 years later
« Reply #44 on: January 18, 2014, 12:50:20 PM »
Baseketball anyone?
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Re: Hoop Dreams 20 years later
« Reply #45 on: January 18, 2014, 04:23:03 PM »
For those of you that don't think the announcers read the message boards, the play by play guy gave his 5 favorite sports movies in the first half:

Hoosiers
Rocky
The Natural
Rudy
The Longest Yard
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Re: Hoop Dreams 20 years later
« Reply #46 on: January 18, 2014, 04:28:37 PM »
Quote from: PTM on January 18, 2014, 10:15:58 AM
My short list of best sports movies:

Million Dollar Baby

I completely forgot about this one!  Tremendous movie.  Hilary Swank's performance in that movie is as good as I have ever seen in any movie.  Can you imagine anyone else playing that part nearly as well?

SPOILER ALERT -  In real life she would have been the winner of her last fight by DQ.  Actually saw the exact scenario in a real fight.
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