Concerned...

[Aughnanure]

Well of course you can.  It happens even in the NBA.  There are great scorers who can't defend and vice versa.

It would just be more helpful if Wilson and Junior could score like Durant and Westbrook.  But they aren't...but that doesn't mean that it only falls on Vander to provide that scoring.  (And it doesn't matter than he is "the starting two guard" because you can get points from anywhere....not to mention that the traditional 1-5 positions are obsolete.)

No one's going to the NBA who can't make a 12 foot jumper or finish lay-ups. The sad part is, Vander's best offensive game is making free throws (which makes no f'ing sense and is soo frustrating!).

[Aughnanure]

I usually agree with you Guns, but I have to disagree here.  I simply can't imagine someone watching those two guys play offense and think they're about the same.  The stats may be similar, but if you take away his fast break layup per game, I honestly think Vander shoots less than 30% from the floor in the half-court.  Mayo had a long slump where he couldn't make a shot, but is is much more fluid and dynamic than Blue with the ball in his hands.  I also agree with you that Mayo's absence is not going to kill our season.

Thank you God.

[GGGG]

All of what you said is true, but I think for the vast majority of teams the wings (SG and SFs) are scorers.  There's a reason for that.  It's like being a 1B/LF/DH in baseball.  In baseball, those are the positions that the largest number of people can handle defensively, so since there is a much larger pool to choose from, you really should be a great hitter to play those positions.

In basketball, the 6-2 to 6-6 guys who aren't great ball handlers or very strong inside guys tend to be talented scorers because that is where the highest concentration of players are, so you have the most guys to choose from to fill those slots.

I'm sorry but I don't think that is true at all.  If you look at a lot of college basketball teams, if you look at the three positions that aren't a point or a post, you generally will find a guy like Vander. 

[ATL MU Warrior]

No one's going to the NBA who can't make a 12 foot jumper or finish lay-ups. The sad part is, Vander's best offensive game is making free throws (which makes no f'ing sense and is soo frustrating!).

Ben Wallace
Dennis Rodman

There are probably literally dozens of others

[jsglow]

We'll all be happier if VB's offense can tick up a notch or two.  I'm sure he feels that way too.  The reality is that this year's MU team might be a bit offensively challenged and that we're going to have to win with solid D, by limiting our own turnovers, and with decent rebounding.

I'm still hoping to see an excellent trap defense where points can be manufactured off forced turnovers.

[unforgiven]

Ben Wallace
Dennis Rodman

Uhhh, they were never paid a penny for making a basket.

[ATL MU Warrior]

Uhhh, they were never paid a penny for making a basket.

no kidding, that's the point.

[unforgiven]

no kidding, that's the point.

But it overlooks the prima facie that Vander Blue must have a shooting skill set in order to make the League. Comparing his shooting to Wallace & Rodman is obtuse.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

I usually agree with you Guns, but I have to disagree here.  I simply can't imagine someone watching those two guys play offense and think they're about the same.  The stats may be similar, but if you take away his fast break layup per game, I honestly think Vander shoots less than 30% from the floor in the half-court.  Mayo had a long slump where he couldn't make a shot, but is is much more fluid and dynamic than Blue with the ball in his hands.  I also agree with you that Mayo's absence is not going to kill our season.

I think we are getting into semantics.

Todd is a better shooter. The numbers reflect that. The eye test reflects that.

I just don't think there is MILES between them as what has been implied.

Everybody wants Todd to be a shooter. You know how many 3's he made in conf. play? 11. I don't know that we can expect him to come out and be some great offensive threat.

He has less warts than Vander, certainly. But, again, I don't think there are miles between them.

[brewcity77]

I've never seen a topic on this site get so off-topic and disjointed while still maintaining the illusion of being on-topic.

[cheebs09]

I've never seen a topic on this site get so off-topic and disjointed while still maintaining the illusion of being on-topic.

Nazis

[mr.MUskie]

I've never seen a topic on this site get so off-topic and disjointed while still maintaining the illusion of being on-topic.

Really?  I find that to be SOP.

[The Equalizer]

Ben Wallace
Dennis Rodman

There are probably literally dozens of others

The day Blue starts averaging 10 rebounds a game is the day people stop complaining about his shooting.

[ATL MU Warrior]

But it overlooks the prima facie that Vander Blue must have a shooting skill set in order to make the League. Comparing his shooting to Wallace & Rodman is obtuse.

The day Blue starts averaging 10 rebounds a game is the day people stop complaining about his shooting.

Guys, reading comprehension is your friend.  My post was in direct response to the post I quoted which asserted that everybody in the NBA could make a 12 foot jump shot, which is absolutely not true.  My post had nothing to do with Vander making the league or with comparing his rebounding to the players I mentioned.

[martyconlonontherun]

Guys, reading comprehension is your friend.  My post was in direct response to the post I quoted which asserted that everybody in the NBA could make a 12 foot jump shot, which is absolutely not true.  My post had nothing to do with Vander making the league or with comparing his rebounding to the players I mentioned.

Just because a response is technically correct doesn't mean it has any context to the discussion at hand. If we we talking a QB and said "no one has ever made it to the NFL that couldn't throw the ball 30 yards," you would look like either an idiot or an a-hole if you started rattling off kickers. It was pretty clear were we talking about guards/forwards. The guys you listed are in a total different category and don't even come close to comparing to a player like Blue.

[unforgiven]

Guys, reading comprehension is your friend.  My post was in direct response to the post I quoted which asserted that everybody in the NBA could make a 12 foot jump shot, which is absolutely not true.  My post had nothing to do with Vander making the league or with comparing his rebounding to the players I mentioned.

Was it Himmler or Jodl who was deadly from 12? As we know, Goering was the prototype for Dejuan Blair and Gardner - big, wide body who took up paint. In Goering's case, he could sky.