How Bad Is The Pac-12?

[Tugg Speedman]

This is the eighth week in a row that the PAC-12 has no ranked teams.

This week they don't even have a team among the others getting votes!

Highest RPI for the Pac-12 is Cal at 34 then Oregon at 57 (for comparison the BE has 6 team with a RPI better than 35 ... MU is 10).

How can a BCS conference be this bad?  Will they only get 1 bid (the automatic bid to the conference tourney winner)?

[fiskadoro]

too many "brand name" schools there for them only to get one nod at the dance. NCAA tourney is strictly not about who deserves to go, even with the expansion. I'd love to see them get hosed though. Nice to have more A-10 schools, or MVC.

[Eye]

Actually, I've come to the point where if Cal wins the regular-season and tournament, I'm thinking there is a shot the league could get just one bid.

[dwaderoy2004]

The pac 12 will get Cal, the regular season winner (currently Washington) and the conference tournament winner in.  The same team can fill multiple roles...

[brewcity77]

The pac 12 will get Cal, the regular season winner (currently Washington) and the conference tournament winner in.  The same team can fill multiple roles...

Cal is the only team with a good shot at an at-large bid. I don't see any way the league gets 3 bids, and the regular-season winner could be left out, especially if they beat each other up and a few teams are tied at 12-6. Those RPIs are just god-awful.

[lab_warrior]

The pac 12 will get Cal, the regular season winner (currently Washington) and the conference tournament winner in.  The same team can fill multiple roles...

This will undoubtedly happen.  Conf. regular season winner gets in, and tournament winner gets the auto bid.  They'll get two teams in.  Probably either Arizona or Washington, in addition to Cal?

[Hoopaloop]

The last time we said the Pac 10 \ 12 was bad we played Washington in the NCAA Tournament and blew a double digit lead in the second half and lost.

We would be wise to keep that in mind.

[GGGG]

The last time we said the Pac 10 \ 12 was bad we played Washington in the NCAA Tournament and blew a double digit lead in the second half and lost.

We would be wise to keep that in mind.

Why?  It's not really relevant.  And we said they were bad last year too.

[79Warrior]

The last time we said the Pac 10 \ 12 was bad we played Washington in the NCAA Tournament and blew a double digit lead in the second half and lost.

We would be wise to keep that in mind.

We just barely beat them this season also.

[Hoopaloop]

We just barely beat them this season also.

+1   The OP starter has a way of doing this in a number of threads to prove his love for Buzz.  Does the reverse in other threads about other coaches. 

We have a really good coach.  Why he feels the need to do this I don't know.  Maybe he is Buzz's wife?

[Lennys Tap]

The last time we said the Pac 10 \ 12 was bad we played Washington in the NCAA Tournament and blew a double digit lead in the second half and lost.

We would be wise to keep that in mind.

PAC 10/12 was bad that year. Doesn't mean every team in the conference was bad. Washington was a pretty good team on a roll - routed #3 seed New Mexico to reach the Sweet 16.

But it gave you the chance to bring up MU blowing a double digit lead which was really the point, no? Odd the things that make some Marquette fans happy.

[Tugg Speedman]

We just barely beat them this season also.

Understand their is HUGE a difference between winning and losing.  Statement like this suggest you think winning by 2 (which we did against Washington) and losing by 1 is just a three point difference.  Its more than that.  Good teams win close games.  Bad teams lose by three and start the moral victory stuff.

We won the game while having a let down after the big Wisconsin victory three days earlier.  We did it while watching Otule go down for the season.

Duke beat them by 6 a few days later.  Does duke suck because they only beat them by 6?

[MUMac]

The last time we said the Pac 10 \ 12 was bad we played Washington in the NCAA Tournament and blew a double digit lead in the second half and lost.

We would be wise to keep that in mind.

Washington seriously underperformed that year.  The Pac 10 was down.  Pretty bad.  Washington, at the beginning of the year, was the rose in the cesspool of that conference.  Mid season poor play hurt them.  They still had the talent, and were on a roll.  If they played like they did down the stretch and against MU all year, as was expected, the Pac 10 would still have been down.  They were the only team from that conference that had the talent to succeed that year.  Unfortunately for MU, they put it together and were significantly underseeded based on talent and ability, but appropriately seeded based on performance over the whole season.

[Hoopaloop]

No argument from me, the conference is poor top to bottom.  What tends to happen here is that our fans look at the conference as poor and then translate that to mean the team(s) that go to the NCAA tournament must also be poor.  Then we go and lose the game and these same fans are dumbfounded.

[MUMac]

No argument from me, the conference is poor top to bottom.  What tends to happen here is that our fans look at the conference as poor and then translate that to mean the team(s) that go to the NCAA tournament must also be poor.  Then we go and lose the game and these same fans are dumbfounded.

Yeah, I see that.  Never understood it.  When we played Washington, they scared the he!! out of me.  Unfortunately, the team I was worried about seeing, showed up.

[bilsu]

We came really close to playing Washington in NCAA tournament last year. They barely loss to North Carolina, who drilled us the next game.

[Warriors 79]

I live in Seattle.  I follow Romar and Huskies and there is no more inconsistent team with players who fail to show up for whole stretches of the game than the Washington Huskies.  Other than super frosh Tony Wroten, who is most likely one and done this year, no Husky can play hard with his head in the game for an entire game. Remember, Marq lost Otule early and played HORRIBLY against the Huskies at MSG and Washington actually showed up for that game in New York.....  And Marq still won.

The Pac 12 IS terrible this year, and now that they are in this moronic conference schedule of mostly TH and Sat games, they have NO chance to improve their RPIs playing each other.  That ship sailed when the conference collectively BLEW their non conference schedule this past December. 

Awwwwww....

[muwarrior69]

I guess the top prospects in the west only want to play for basketball only or basketball is the primary D1 sport schools like in the WCC.

[77ncaachamps]

I guess the top prospects in the west only want to play for basketball only or basketball is the primary D1 sport schools like in the WCC.

Not true.

Despite the problems he's had at UCLA - mostly early defections and recruits transferring, Howland's got Kyle Anderson (non-WC) locked up and is forming a solid class.

Scout’s Top 100s from the West
#1 Shabazz Muhammad, NV - open
#3 Brandon Ashley, CA – Arizona
#9 Anthony Bennett, NV -open
#23 Grant Jerrett, CA – Arizona
#40 Robert Upshaw, CA – Kansas State
#42 Gabe York, CA - Arizona
#43 Winston Shepard, NV – open
#55 Katin Reinhardt, CA – UNLV
#62 Zena Edosomwan, CA - open
#63 Dominic Artis, CA - Oregon
#72 Rosco Allen, NV - Stanford
#77 Tyrone Wallace, CA – California
#78 Grant Verhoeven,CA - Stanford
#80 Josh Scott, CO – Colorado
#82 Xavier Johnson, CA - Colorado

Non-West Coast Top 100s committing to western schools
#4 Kyle Anderson, NJ – UCLA
#8 Kaleb Tarczewski, MA - Arizona
#73 Jordan Adams, VA - UCLA

The Pac-12 is locking down the region despite their woes. This is only the 2012 class and where it will be felt - IF the woes continue - are the 2013 classes and beyond.

I don't think that's going to happen.

[PJDunn]

Washington has two players that will go in the 1st round, Wroten and Ross.  They recruit very well, as do many schools in the Pac12.  The whole conference just seems to be in a funk.

I agree with my fellow Seattle resident that the UW is the most bi-polar team that I have ever watched. 

[Cooby Snacks]

Washington has two players that will go in the 1st round, Wroten and Ross.  They recruit very well, as do many schools in the Pac12.  The whole conference just seems to be in a funk.

I agree with my fellow Seattle resident that the UW is the most bi-polar team that I have ever watched. 

They're definitely frustrating to watch given how much talent they have.  I went to the snow day game against Cal last week, and it was amazing how stagnant they were on offense for the first 35 minutes or so...a lot of trips where no one even moved.  Not Romar's finest coaching job this season, but I wouldn't be surprised if they win the Pac-12 tournament.