props to the student section so far...

[Tugg Speedman]

I'm cut and dry?  The whiners that the student section sucks are those engaged in cut and dry analysis.  They want 19,000 student stuffing the BC when we only have 8100 undergrads.  How is that suppose to work?

Face it ... those that complain are basing it on how Duke "looks" on TV versus MU on TV.  No one looks like Duke because no one has a set-up like Duke.

[chren21]

I'm cut and dry?  The whiners that the student section sucks are those engaged in cut and dry analysis.  They want 19,000 student stuffing the BC when we only have 8100 undergrads.  How is that suppose to work?

Face it ... those that complain are basing it on how Duke "looks" on TV versus MU on TV.  No one looks like Duke because no one has a set-up like Duke.

I have been harsh but I will say this.  Most student basketball sections stink.  I just think we could do a lot better than we are.  Some of the 30 year old cheers, the sitting during time outs, no cheering during warmups, etc. could all be worked on.  With that said based on other CBB student sections yesterday was way above average, but again the potential for much more is right there for the taking.

[Tugg Speedman]

Remember the question is about the student section, not the size of the stadium or the number of people that go to games.

The complaint is the student section is "not full" and implies that MU students are not "rabid fans."  The is pure BS.

See the table below.  MU far and away has the lowest undergrad enrollment in the top ten.  The BC average attendance is 193% the size of MU undergrad enrollment.  Only Creighton and Vanderbilt have comparable numbers in the top 25.

MU is unique in that it plays in a huge stadium and has a relatively small undergrad population.  As explained above, Georgetown doesn't come close.


Rank   School   G    Attend   Average   Undergrad   %
1   Kentucky   18   433,989   24,111   18,770   128%
2   Syracuse   19   420,890   22,152   20,407   109%
3   Louisville   19   368,537   19,397   15,125   128%
4   Tennessee   16   306,680   19,168   21,006   91%
5   N Carolina   19   337,934   17,786   17,981   99%
6   Wisconsin   17   292,910   17,230   28,960   59%
7   Maryland   16   268,673   16,792   26,542   63%
8   Memphis   20   329,968   16,498   17,963   92%
9   Kansas   19   312,230   16,433   21,066   78%
10   Marquette   17   265,484   15,617   8,100          193%
11   Indiana   17   260,028   15,296   32,490   47%
12   Illinois   18   267,658   14,870   31,173   48%
13   Mich St U   17   250,903   14,759   36,489   40%
14   U of Texas   17   248,697   14,629   38,168   38%
15   Creighton   17   246,419   14,495   4,133           351%
16   Ohio St.   18   255,265   14,181   38,479   37%
17   B Young U   16   224,460   14,029   26,928   52%
18   Nevada LV   19   264,422   13,917   22,708   61%
19   Arizona   16   221,047   13,815   29,719   46%
20   Purdue   16   218,896   13,681   31,146   44%
21   Vanderbilt   16   217,965   13,623   6,796          200%
22   New Mexico   18   244,718   13,595   34,674   39%
23   Minnesota   17   228,709   13,453   30,519   44%
24   NC State   17   224,131   13,184   17,981   73%
25   Arkansas   21   276,821   13,182   21,406   62%
26   Iowa St.   18   224,846   12,491   23,104   54%
27   WV Uni   15   185,629   12,375   22,303   55%
28   Dayton   18   220,657   12,259   7,426          165%
29   Georgetown   16   192,638   12,040   7,092          170%
30   South Car   16   191,905   11,994   29,597   41%
31   Kansas St.   17   202,020   11,884   18,778   63%
32   Wake For   15   177,498   11,833   4,412          268%

[Tugg Speedman]

I have been harht but I will say this.  Most student basketball sections stink.  I just think we could do a lot better than we are.  Some of the 30 year old cheers, the sitting during time outs, no cheering during warmups, etc. could all be worked on.  With that said based on other CBB student sections yesterday was way above average, but again the potential for much more is right there for the taking.

But thanks for at least admitting we are way above average.  Let's start from this point of view.

In all the games I go to, the students do everything you ask for.  Its the Alumni (like me) that don't do it, and will never do it.  Alumni have a Pro basketball mentality and even if Buzz turns MU into Duke, it will not happen.

You're asking too much.  What you want is what 20 years old do, not 50 year old alumni.  And trust me, the 50 year old alumni at Duke games are also sitting on their hands.

[Tugg Speedman]

There's still a big need for organization. Simply yelling and screaming won't get anyone to miss a free throw. It's the coordinated movements that alter the background perspective that can actually impact a visiting shooter.

Didn't Taylor, a 90% FT shooter that only missed four all year, miss two late in the game with the students in the background which gave us a chance?  Why not praise the student for rattling one of the best FT shooters in the country?

Seems to me that random yelling and screaming worked.

[chren21]

But thanks for at least admitting we are way above average.  Let's start from this point of view.

In all the games I go to, the students do everything you ask for.  Its the Alumni (like me) that don't do it, and will never do it.  Alumni have a Pro basketball mentality and even if Buzz turns MU into Duke, it will not happen.
You're asking too much.  What you want is what 20 years old do, not 50 year old alumni.  And trust me, the 50 year old alumni at Duke games are also sitting on their hands.

I should have been more specific.  I think the students could do more, I agree the alums will continue to sit on thier hands.  Although IF and a big IF... the students did more continuous cheering / chants / etc. the chances of the alum joining in (IE we are marquette which can be done from a seated position) go way up.

[chren21]

Didn't Taylor, a 90% FT shooter that only missed four all year, miss two late in the game with the students in the background which gave us a chance?  Why not praise the student for rattling one of the best FT shooters in the country?

Seems to me that random yelling and screaming worked.

Yes maybe that worked but, did it / would it continue to work?  Is it to much to have say four or five different things to do during free throws that would throw them off?  Many ideas have been suggested here.

[Tugg Speedman]

And my point is if all 8100 MU undergrads went to the game and did what you want, they would only be about 40% of the seats.  No other major Bball school has this small an enrollment versus this large a stadium.  MU is unique in this respect.

So given the small percentage of students in the large BC, they do an awesome job.

... and I disagree with you ... 50 year old alumni will just enjoy it more if 20 year olds scream louder but won't necessarily join in.

If you think doctors, lawyers and business chiefs and their wives (i.e., MU alum) are going to jump up and own like lunatics, think again.  And it's OK because the alum of virtually every other school don't jump up and down either.

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And my point is if all 8100 MU undergrads went to the game and did what you want, they would only be about 40% of the seats.  No other major Bball school has this small an enrollment versus this large a stadium.  MU is unique in this respect.

So given the small percentage of students in the large BC, they do an awesome job.

... and I disagree with you ... 50 year old alumni will just enjoy it more if 20 year olds scream louder but won't necessarily join in.

If you think doctors, lawyers and business chiefs and their wives (i.e., MU alum) are going to jump up and own like lunatics, think again.  And it's OK because the alum of virtually every other school don't jump up and down either.

Small percentage? They have over 22 percent of the seating.

[chren21]

And my point is if all 8100 MU undergrads went to the game and did what you want, they would only be about 40% of the seats.  No other major Bball school has this small an enrollment versus this large a stadium.  MU is unique in this respect.
So given the small percentage of students in the large BC, they do an awesome job.
... and I disagree with you ... 50 year old alumni will just enjoy it more if 20 year olds scream louder but won't necessarily join in.

If you think doctors, lawyers and business chiefs and their wives (i.e., MU alum) are going to jump up and own like lunatics, think again.  And it's OK because the alum of virtually every other school don't jump up and down either.

Again I agree completely.  I was not saying alums will jump up and down and scream.  But sit and say we are marquette, clap clap, or other simple chants more often, is not out of the question.  But back to my point, I think the students did great, I just refuse to think that is the best the students  can do.  Why not strive to always get better?  Or should we just say we we have this many students, our stadium is to big, etc, etc, or should we say lets think of ways to even make it better?  Seems like an obvious answer to me...

[muguru]

UWGB was an example... You're not going to fill the student section for that or the SLU game...

Why the hell not?? This is YOUR team, YOUR classmates, and YOUR school. I drive an hour every freaking home game, and the students can't fill the BC on a regular basis??

Unreal....

[Brewtown Andy]

Why the hell not?? This is YOUR team, YOUR classmates, and YOUR school. I drive an hour every freaking home game, and the students can't fill the BC on a regular basis??

Unreal....

At this point, I'd settle for filling the lower bowl every single game.

[MerrittsMustache]

In all the games I go to, the students do everything you ask for.  Its the Alumni (like me) that don't do it, and will never do it.  Alumni have a Pro basketball mentality and even if Buzz turns MU into Duke, it will not happen.

You're asking too much.  What you want is what 20 years old do, not 50 year old alumni.  And trust me, the 50 year old alumni at Duke games are also sitting on their hands.

Go to an Iowa State game in Ames sometime if you want to see an arena full of fans (both students and alums) who are all on the same page in terms of cheers, chants, etc. The fact that there's not much else in Ames besides ISU probably has a lot to do with it, but still. Great environment to watch a game.

In terms of MU's student section, I personally don't think it has to do with attendance. I think it has to do with the MU students not being particularly interested in the game and not knowing very much about basketball. That was the case when I was a student ('02 grad) and it remains the case today. When small groups of students have tried to "rally the troops" and get things more organized, they've been largely ignored. My guess is that it's the same at most schools around the country.

[Tugg Speedman]

Do you think the chanting and cheering at English football games is cool or stupid?  Most Americans must think its stupid which is why we don't do it here.  So, why are we arguing that we don't do something that most think is stupid?

Complaining that their is no organized cheering at MU games is misplaced.  I've been to a few games at Ames and I have no idea what your talking about.  The Alumni sit on their hands and the kids cheered in a disorganized fashion ... like they do at MU and everywhere else save Cameron indoor.

[MerrittsMustache]

Do you think the chanting and cheering at English football games is cool or stupid?  Most Americans must think its stupid which is why we don't do it here.  So, why are we arguing that we don't do something that most think is stupid?

Complaining that their is no organized cheering at MU games is misplaced.  I've been to a few games at Ames and I have no idea what your talking about.  The Alumni sit on their hands and the kids cheered in a disorganized fashion ... like they do at MU and everywhere else save Cameron indoor.

Apparently things have changed since the early- to mid-2000s.

[MARQKC]

We don't have to pack BC to have some fun that would capture attention. Check this out:

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/19780/prepare-to-love-taylor-university

Granted, this occurs in a small-college gym, which heightens the impact, but the student section could still have some fun with something like this.

Kinda like our basketball team, we need some floor leadership.

[Brewtown Andy]

Here's why the student section is never moving: Seton Hall has moved their section behind the visiting bench and the Big East isn't thrilled about it.

http://www.nj.com/setonhall/index.ssf/2010/12/as_seton_hall_starts_homestand.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[chren21]

Here's why the student section is never moving: Seton Hall has moved their section behind the visiting bench and the Big East isn't thrilled about it.

http://www.nj.com/setonhall/index.ssf/2010/12/as_seton_hall_starts_homestand.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Seton Hall is smarter than we are.  Who cares what the Big East thinks.

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Seton Hall is smarter than we are.  Who cares what the Big East thinks.

A school that really, really needs to stay on the Big East's good side.