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MUWarrior4Life

MU beats UWGB, 89-69, lots of consistent play overall by all players

Steve Buscemi

kind of related... I saw Jae Crowder grab rim in between warm ups and game time for fun.  Is that a technical or is that only a rule in Intramurals??
"I work out twice a day, six days a week and on Sunday I go to church."  -John Dawson

MUWarrior4Life

liking how Vander is coming along the offensive side of the ball, his defense is REALLY nice

PGsHeroes32

Our Free throws need serious work by next week.
Lazar picking up where the BIG 3 left off....

JustinLewisFanClubPres

Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on November 17, 2010, 10:29:34 PM
Our Free throws need serious work by next week.

so does our disgusting half court offense.  we do not move at all in the half court.

GoldenWarrior

Quote from: HaywardsHeroes32 on November 17, 2010, 10:29:34 PM
Our Free throws need serious work by next week.
When aren't free throws a concern of an MU team?  Not since Novak have we been comfortable there.

New Era Warriors

Quote from: 1001 N. 4th St. on November 17, 2010, 10:21:17 PM
kind of related... I saw Jae Crowder grab rim in between warm ups and game time for fun.  Is that a technical or is that only a rule in Intramurals??

I think that might only be a technical in high school and intramurals B.

mviale

Jbut, Crowder and blue need to work on FTs - too few attempts to be too concerned
You heard it here first. Davante Gardner will be a Beast this year.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=27259

NersEllenson

We got spoiled the last couple of years with our free throw shooting percentages..we shot 74% last year..which put us 28th out of 347 teams.  Year before we shot 73% good for 54th.  D1 average is 68%.

I doubt this year's team shoots better than 68%..but it will get to the line A LOT more.  Also doubt we will ever look really smooth, or as fun to watch offensively as last year.  We will be going to the line a lot, getting fouled a lot due to our athleticism - which will lead to fragmented/interrupted games like we saw tonight.
"I'm not sure Cadougan would fix the problems on this team. I'm not even convinced he would be better for this team than DeWil is."

BrewCity77, December 8, 2013

chren21

Quote from: New Era Warriors on November 17, 2010, 10:46:55 PM
I think that might only be a technical in high school and intramurals B.

This definitely was a T in college during the 90's...  I do not think that it is enforced anymore or may have been eliminated.

Steve Buscemi

^^^  thanks.  I was nervous for a couple seconds because he did it right in front of a ref.
"I work out twice a day, six days a week and on Sunday I go to church."  -John Dawson

shiloh26

Quote from: MU7703 on November 17, 2010, 10:42:10 PM
so does our disgusting half court offense.  we do not move at all in the half court.

+1. We looked very good on the break, but that half court looked very uncomfortable.  We'll have to get and run all year, I think, but the need much more of a set than that. 

El Duderino

Quote from: Ners on November 17, 2010, 10:56:21 PM
We got spoiled the last couple of years with our free throw shooting percentages..we shot 74% last year..which put us 28th out of 347 teams.  Year before we shot 73% good for 54th.  D1 average is 68%.

I doubt this year's team shoots better than 68%..but it will get to the line A LOT more.  Also doubt we will ever look really smooth, or as fun to watch offensively as last year.  We will be going to the line a lot, getting fouled a lot due to our athleticism - which will lead to fragmented/interrupted games like we saw tonight.

Yea, last year Buzz had a short rotation of guys and three were seniors who played often and most of those guys were pretty good to good free throw shooters.

This season we'll see a lot larger playing rotation and among them will be multiple freshman/sophomores. I think in close Big East games, we'll face as fans some nerve racking and frustrating situations as guys buckle under the pressure and miss important free throws. That's simply part of college basketball life usually when you have a young team like Marquette is.

We'll see though, maybe some of these young kids will surprise us and knock down those key free throws late in close games. I just hope that if we lose a game or two in the Big East because a younger player lets the pressure get to him while at the line, that fans don't treat that kid to harshly by calling them chokers because it's part of the growing process of freshman/sophomores becoming juniors/seniors where they then can step to the line feeling calm after having been in those spots before.

PaintTouches

Am I delusional for thinking our free throw shooting las year wasn't all that great in clutch situations. Zar and Mo missed a few down the stretch of the DePaul game. DJO missed some key ones against Nova and WVU to open the Big East if I recall correctly.

Basically, all I'm saying is I don't think will see THAT big of a drop-off at the line in clutch situations because we weren't particularly clutch.

El Duderino

Quote from: MU7703 on November 17, 2010, 10:42:10 PM
so does our disgusting half court offense.  we do not move at all in the half court.

What the hell were you expecting with so many new players that are also young in most cases?

As Buzz stated, Marquette returns the least amount of minutes played among returning players of all the Big East teams. With that being the case, were you expecting immediate cohesiveness play? That all these new pieces would immediately gel, including three freshman that are part of the playing rotation?

It's amazing how impatient sports fans are sometimes, especially fans of college teams that can have high amounts of player turnover. Try being realistic, there is a reason that so many college teams often go through struggles in years with high turnover in players, especially when numerous of those new guys are freshman.

Hell, look at North Carolina last year. That program gets the cream of the crop recruits each year, yet because of so much player turnover last season, even they struggled badly and missed the NCAA Tournament.

El Duderino

Quote from: pux90mex on November 18, 2010, 12:37:48 AM
Am I delusional for thinking our free throw shooting las year wasn't all that great in clutch situations. Zar and Mo missed a few down the stretch of the DePaul game. DJO missed some key ones against Nova and WVU to open the Big East if I recall correctly.

Basically, all I'm saying is I don't think will see THAT big of a drop-off at the line in clutch situations because we weren't particularly clutch.

That is true, there were some misses at the line which hurt badly late in close games.

That said, even though i don't recall how we shot free throws late in each of the many close games MU played, i do think fans tend to remember the missed ones much more than the times that players came through at the line.

It's human nature to remember those gut wrenching moments more where a guy bricks a free throw/throws that cost a game because those kind of losses sting so much and linger in your head for awhile after a game ends. If though a player most the free throws, fans tend to not recall that later on down the road. For example, i remember those situations you brought up, yet can't recall at all the times guys came through late at the line and there were times they did.

In all my years loving and watching multiple sports, for whatever reason, painful losses seem to stick so clear in my memory bank for a long time.

PaintTouches

Quote from: El Duderino on November 18, 2010, 12:52:46 AM

That said, even though i don't recall how we shot free throws late in each of the many close games MU played, i do think fans tend to remember the missed ones much more than the times that players came through at the line.


Very true. DJO did come up clutch at UCONN hitting all three free throws to tie up the game with under a minute to go.

Steve Buscemi

Quote from: chren21 on November 17, 2010, 11:46:00 PM
This definitely was a T in college during the 90's...  I do not think that it is enforced anymore or may have been eliminated.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/St-Mary-s-receives-technical-for-dunking-in-pre?urn=ncaab-147054

Looks like its still a rule and its still enforced   :-\
"I work out twice a day, six days a week and on Sunday I go to church."  -John Dawson

ATWizJr

Quote from: MU7703 on November 17, 2010, 10:42:10 PM
so does our disgusting half court offense.  we do not move at all in the half court.
Disgusting? 

DavantesInferno

#19
I don't know if it is just me or has anyone else noticed that we are getting a lot of our points in the paint this year?  It's quite the change from last year.  I feel like we keep trying to drive into the lane or feed it to Crowder/Gardner/other big man and have them try and score from close range.  I realize that theoretically it is easier to score the closer you are to the basket but it seems like we aren't relying on our jump shooting that much.  I know we lost Lazar and Cuby who were large 3 point threats but we still have DJO who has proven he can shoot the long ball in the past.  Some posters have mentioned our great ball movement last year allowed for a lot of open shots but I feel like this year we aren't moving the ball that well once we get into our half-court offense.  Obviously a lot of the changes (strategy wise) from last year to this year have to do with personnel changes but I still feel like we need to at least try some more ball movement around the perimeter to get some open jump shots.  Also this is not a knock to the new style of getting more points in the paint, I am a big fan, I just feel that we need to keep our game multi-dimensional and somewhat balanced in case we face a real tough zone (i.e. Syracuse) or certain players aren't able to play (either off-night or injury).  Thoughts?

NavinRJohnson

It is obviously just one game, but numbers that jumped right off teh page, looking at the Box Score from last night...

Vander Blue: 7-10 FG
Jae Crowder 7-11 FG
Davante Gardner 3-6 FG, 5-8 FT

If we can consistently get that kind of production from those guys (and the first three games seem to indicate that its realistic), in addition to what you can expect from Buycks, DJO, and Butler, MU is going to be awfully tough.

Vander Blue continues to prove he's legit. Crawder seems to be doing what most hoped he would, and Gardner has been a nice surprise. Not necessarily that he is contributing, but that he's been able to do it as soon as he has. Hopefully they can keep it up.

bilsu

The free throws will work itself out. We were actually very good at free throws, except for two or three games.

JustinLewisFanClubPres

Quote from: El Duderino on November 18, 2010, 12:40:18 AM
What the hell were you expecting with so many new players that are also young in most cases?

As Buzz stated, Marquette returns the least amount of minutes played among returning players of all the Big East teams. With that being the case, were you expecting immediate cohesiveness play? That all these new pieces would immediately gel, including three freshman that are part of the playing rotation?

It's amazing how impatient sports fans are sometimes, especially fans of college teams that can have high amounts of player turnover. Try being realistic, there is a reason that so many college teams often go through struggles in years with high turnover in players, especially when numerous of those new guys are freshman.

Hell, look at North Carolina last year. That program gets the cream of the crop recruits each year, yet because of so much player turnover last season, even they struggled badly and missed the NCAA Tournament.

I don't expect much out of a young team with a lot of new pieces but I do expect movement.  We have a deep enough bench right now to at least see constant movement in half court sets.  There is a lot of standing around and it made the 2nd half much easier for UWGB last night defensively.  I don't expect perfection and I know it's early but we do have a pretty big game on Monday night and that type of a half court offense won't work.  We'll need to wear down teams on both ends of the floor to have any shot at our games in KC next week.

That said, if we lose next week, it's not the end of the world and I certainly expect to see much improvement over the course of the season.  Still, it is Buzz's job to get these guys working on both ends of the floor and he really hasn't tried much new to inject some life in what has been a stagnant half-court offense at times so far this season.

NersEllenson

Quote from: MU7703 on November 18, 2010, 11:39:42 AM
That said, if we lose next week, it's not the end of the world and I certainly expect to see much improvement over the course of the season.  Still, it is Buzz's job to get these guys working on both ends of the floor and he really hasn't tried much new to inject some life in what has been a stagnant half-court offense at times so far this season.

No shame if we do lose to the Number 1 team in the country next week.  Think we give them a VERY tough game though.  On the bolded section..I'm pretty sure our team works as hard as any in D1 ball.  The half court has been a little choppy for sure, but part of that comes from us getting to the free throw line so much in the 2nd half..just made the game feel like there was no flow...and watching guys shoot free throws is the ultimate boredom!
"I'm not sure Cadougan would fix the problems on this team. I'm not even convinced he would be better for this team than DeWil is."

BrewCity77, December 8, 2013

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