Interesting article on Midwest talent by state

[ChicosBailBonds]

Chicos, your use of posters' first names is creepy. It displays stalker tendancies, and it says something about your current mental state. Also, please stop with the unfounded, baseless references to things that make you "squirm." You know damn well recruits and their families read these boards, and these unfounded, baseless claims definitely tarnish MU's reputation in a very unfair way. Stop. It's annoying. You've been an extreme net negative on this board for the entire offseason. Do you even like MU hoops? or do you just like to draw attention to yourself?

Considering what Robert has done to me and a few other posters here, I give what I get.  An eye for an eye.  I could really give a rip if you like it or not.  There are a lot of people's names here I know but I don't use them, but if someone is going to play the games that Robert has, then you're damn right I'm going to play the same game....an eye for an eye.  

I love MU Hoops Ready, that's the whole point.  I'd like us to continue winning and doing it the RIGHT WAY in the process.  Sorry that some people don't care about the latter and only care about the former.

[Ready2Fly]

Considering what Robert has done to me and a few other posters here, I give what I get.  An eye for an eye.  I could really give a rip if you like it or not.  There are a lot of people's names here I know but I don't use them, but if someone is going to play the games that Robert has, then you're damn right I'm going to play the same game....an eye for an eye.  

I love MU Hoops Ready, that's the whole point.  I'd like us to continue winning and doing it the RIGHT WAY in the process.  Sorry that some people don't care about the latter and only care about the former.

We are doing it the right way.  Stop insinuating otherwise.

[Canadian Dimes]

Iu signed the 37th rated player...news to me.  They have Etherington who is vastly overated as a 4 star.  in fact, Scout has him rated as the 22nd best SF and most services do not have him in the top 100.

[NersEllenson]

Iu signed the 37th rated player...news to me.  They have Etherington who is vastly overated as a 4 star.  in fact, Scout has him rated as the 22nd best SF and most services do not have him in the top 100.

Crean has signed some good talent to IU in his time there as evidenced by this article.  Unfortunately, it hasn't translated on the court.  Nick Williams was good but transferred.  Given Creans history of players leaving his program after being in the program for at least a year - I'm sure he'll continue to have some roster turnover.  So far it appears he is continuing the same trend he had at Marquette sign a good class once every 3 years.  That said, given the amount of Top 150 players he has on his roster now, there really is no reason to think he can't guide Indiana to a Top 5 finish in the Big Ten when looking across the league at different talent recruiting into the programs.  MSU, Illinois, Ohio State, Purdue are clear leaders in the talent acquistion department..after that Indiana heads up the list.

[Canadian Dimes]

wonder how long even 5th place finishes will keep Chico and other IU faithful happy.  I guess 5th is better than 11th, but for how long.  Crean is not half the coach or recruiter of the coaches at the schools you mention so we will see if he can get out of the back or middle of the pack despite himself.  Expect tubby and Bo to outperform him too, keeping Naismith at the bottom of the pack

[MarkCharles]

Iu signed the 37th rated player...news to me.  They have Etherington who is vastly overated as a 4 star.  in fact, Scout has him rated as the 22nd best SF and most services do not have him in the top 100.

Yea Chicos, not sure where you got that they signed #37 player. Their highest rated signing by ESPN, Scout, or Rivals for the '10, '11, and '12 classes is #53. Thats Peter Jurkin, rated that high by ESPN for the '12 class, but #137 by Rivals and 3star by Scout.

Crean's 2012 class looks nice, and his '09 was pretty good. But his '10 looks weak, and he hasn't gotten much done yet for the '11 class.

[cheebs09]

Figured since it's on the topic of Crean he got a commitment for another 2014 kid. I wonder if either of these kids will play for Indiana. Also, who knows if the rest of their class catches up to them.

We can't even get a 2011 commitment and Crean's already got 2 for 2014. We may never get one.

[Canadian Dimes]

Figured since it's on the topic of Crean he got a commitment for another 2014 kid. I wonder if either of these kids will play for Indiana. Also, who knows if the rest of their class catches up to them.

We can't even get a 2011 commitment and Crean's already got 2 for 2014. We may never get one.

My guess is they will work out about as well as Anthony Green did for him.  50/50 chance he is still there in 2014, and if he is the groundswell of furious Iu fans will be so great it will kill all local recruiting efforts.  Just watch and see this slow motion trainwreck.   

[4everwarriors]

Crean's a prick and it is poetic justice that he sits with a case of major swamp ass after brewing unlimited stomach lattes.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Iu signed the 37th rated player...news to me.  They have Etherington who is vastly overated as a 4 star.  in fact, Scout has him rated as the 22nd best SF and most services do not have him in the top 100.

I didn't say signed, I said they got a commitment from the 37th best player in a particular class.  News does travel slowly to Plymouth.

Jurkin, ranked 37th in one service  (again, I don't particularly give a rip about these rankings, my only point it posting it is you are such a damn hypocrite when it comes to this stuff).  My guess is they land Yogi Ferrell, who will be another top 50 kid.  So all I can think at this point is that there is a cone of silence in Plymouth where news just bumps off your plastic bubble.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/432780-what-peter-jurkins-committment-means-to-the-hoosiers


Now, the funniest part is you saying a player is "vastly overrated".  Based on your ability to judge players on this board over the years, that's a whopper.  Remember that beauty from you that Mbao merely needed to add some pounds and he would be All Big East.  Yes, you definitely know how to pick the players and determine who is good or not (something tells me you have a built in rating depending on who the coach is).

[ChicosBailBonds]

Yea Chicos, not sure where you got that they signed #37 player. Their highest rated signing by ESPN, Scout, or Rivals for the '10, '11, and '12 classes is #53. Thats Peter Jurkin, rated that high by ESPN for the '12 class, but #137 by Rivals and 3star by Scout.

Crean's 2012 class looks nice, and his '09 was pretty good. But his '10 looks weak, and he hasn't gotten much done yet for the '11 class.

I never said "signed"...I said a "strong commitment"....please remember the person who said signed was Canadian Dimes, who is practically a functional illiterate on here half the time.

Jurkin was 37th when he announced his decision.  I provided backup.  In one service he was 16th.  These rankings don't mean a hill of beans, that wasn't the point...it's how CD has two sets of rules when using them that is at issue.

[Canadian Dimes]

Considering what Robert has done to me and a few other posters here, I give what I get.  An eye for an eye.  I could really give a rip if you like it or not.  There are a lot of people's names here I know but I don't use them, but if someone is going to play the games that Robert has, then you're damn right I'm going to play the same game....an eye for an eye.  

Wow... not only creepy but childish...i feel bad for any former girlfriends/boyfriends.

[Skatastrophy]

Wow... not only creepy but childish...i feel bad for any former girlfriends/boyfriends.

Don't pretend like you haven't gotten way too personal with him in the past.

You are both acting like dorks, though.  That's right.  Dorks.

[MUBurrow]

That said, given the amount of Top 150 players he has on his roster now, there really is no reason to think he can't guide Indiana to a Top 5 finish in the Big Ten when looking across the league at different talent recruiting into the programs.  MSU, Illinois, Ohio State, Purdue are clear leaders in the talent acquistion department..after that Indiana heads up the list.

I think the big thing is that Crean and IU overcome Purdue on the talent acquisition list.  When they do that and dominate in state, they will really start to make headway in the Big10/12 and beyond.  But so long as Purdue is a major player in TT's recruiting, IU wont make the progress to appease the fanbase.  They've got to at the very least win the state.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Iu signed the 37th rated player...news to me.  They have Etherington who is vastly overated as a 4 star.  in fact, Scout has him rated as the 22nd best SF and most services do not have him in the top 100.

Since this probably won't hit Plymouth, Indiana until roughly February....another one today....some saying could be the best player in the country for that class.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/rankings/_/class/2014


http://www.insidethehall.com/2010/09/26/lyles-adds-his-name-to-indianas-2014-class/

[Lennys Tap]

Actually it's the pollsters that are lazy and uninformed.

Now, where are all those predictions of 7th place you spoke about.  Thanks

My bad. Projections regularly showed 2 or 3 teams trailing IU. In the old Big Ten that meant 7th or 8th. In the new one (Big 11?) it means 8th or 9th. Sorry.

Still waiting to hear how you can use The Sporting News to provide fair expectations for IU this year but mock anyone who did likewise regarding their expectations for MU last year. Classic hypocrisy.

[ChicosBailBonds]

My bad. Projections regularly showed 2 or 3 teams trailing IU. In the old Big Ten that meant 7th or 8th. In the new one (Big 11?) it means 8th or 9th. Sorry.

Still waiting to hear how you can use The Sporting News to provide fair expectations for IU this year but mock anyone who did likewise regarding their expectations for MU last year. Classic hypocrisy.

I don't recall mocking anyone here last year for how they picked MU to finish.  I do recall, however, many people mocking '84 and saying he was just setting up Buzz for failure.  Seems to me that he actually put thought behind his predictions and got it right.

Honestly, I just don't trust the pollsters and magazines as I've stated over the years.  Yes, they are nice benchmarks but so much is just classic wet the finger and stick it in the air and guess.  In my mind, MU will finish probably 6th this year with upward mobility of 4th and downward possibility of 9th.  IU, I think will finish 8th and surprise a few teams if they stay healthy, got to that "loser's tournament". 

[NersEllenson]

Since this probably won't hit Plymouth, Indiana until roughly February....another one today....some saying could be the best player in the country for that class.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/rankings/_/class/2014

http://www.insidethehall.com/2010/09/26/lyles-adds-his-name-to-indianas-2014-class/

Hopefully for IU both of these kids stick, and that they haven't peaked early like some kids do.  On another note, in looking at the list of Rivals 150 players signed by schools in Big 10 from 2008-2009 - Crean's first 2 years on the job - I was surprised to find that Indiana recruited best in this 2-year window with regard to Top 150 prospects.  Now why that has translated into a last place finish and a tie for 2nd last in the Big 10 is puzzling.  Crean was able to have a lot of success at MU with the Big 3 as freshman, and virtually no other help outside of Novak.  The 2007 IU recruiting class had 3 Top 150 recruits..so the cupboard wasn't too bare - but I guess a few of those kids chose to transfer (Jordan Crawford comes to mind) once Crean was named coach.  This should be a telling year for IU and TC..by Year 3 he really should have some traction/progress to speak of..and most IU fans don't perceive their program to be anything less than a Big 10 championship caliber team..so he'll soon have to get them into the Top 3 or so teams in the Big 10 for the natives NOT to get restless.