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Who was Marquette's best point guard over the last 20 years?

Tony Miller
Aaron Hutchins
Cordell Henry
Travis Diener
Dominic James

bma725

Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 18, 2009, 12:10:41 PM

Again, if Miller could have shot it like Diener or Hutch he would have. If he had the midrange game or the ability to finish of a Memminger or a Worthen he would have used it. He couldn't and he didn't. If lacking these skills makes him by necessity a more "pure" point guard for you so be it. To me it just makes him a more limited one.

We can play that game both ways.  None of those guys could pass the ball or handle the ball or break the press like Miller.  Given those are the essential skills for a point guard, that would make them pretty limited point guards.

THEGYMBAR

Marcus Washington drove me nuts. I have always loved point guards but I could have lived without Marcus.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: bma725 on June 18, 2009, 12:32:57 PM
We can play that game both ways.  None of those guys could pass the ball or handle the ball or break the press like Miller.  Given those are the essential skills for a point guard, that would make them pretty limited point guards.

I'll give you Hutch, but to suggest that Memminger, Worthen and Diener lacked the ballhandling and passing skills of Miller is nonsense. As for breaking the press, I don't think anyone even tried to press Dean as it would have proven futile. Don't recall with Sam, but I think Travis handled Louisville's press pretty well.

4everwarriors

I personally witnessed Meminger dribble for minutes at a time without losing the ball on several occassions. He was cat quick, could pass with anyone, and had an extremely high basketball IQ. Even with a less than stellar outside jumpshot, it's no mystery why the Knicks made him their #1 pick and he played the point in the Association for many years.
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

THEGYMBAR

Did some of you guys ever see "the Dream"? To question or not his dribbling and ball IQ is unreal. He was an unbelievable player and a joy to watch.

Lighthouse 84

#55
From Wikpedia...............

Coach Al McGuire once remarked that Meminger was "quicker than 11:15 mass at a seaside resort."

I want to know how can anyone not put "Smo" in their top five?



HILLTOP SENIOR SURVEY from 1984 Yearbook: 
Favorite Drinking Establishment:

1. The Avalanche.              7. Major Goolsby's.
2. The Gym.                      8. Park Avenue.
3. The Ardmore.                 9. Mugrack.
4. O'Donohues.                 10. Lighthouse.
5. O'Pagets.
6. Hagerty's.

augoman

Quote from: THEGYMBAR on June 18, 2009, 12:59:46 PM
Marcus Washington drove me nuts. I have always loved point guards but I could have lived without Marcus.


that's because he hurt his leg before arriving at MU, but too late to replace, so everyone knew he couldn't go to his right and covered him accordingly.  He also was the most likely to drive under the basket, leap in the air with no outlet, shot or plan.

Lighthouse 84

Quote from: augoman on June 18, 2009, 10:02:54 PM

that's because he hurt his leg before arriving at MU, but too late to replace, so everyone knew he couldn't go to his right and covered him accordingly.  He also was the most likely to drive under the basket, leap in the air with no outlet, shot or plan.

I'm thinking even if he had time to replace his leg, he still couldn't go to his right....
HILLTOP SENIOR SURVEY from 1984 Yearbook: 
Favorite Drinking Establishment:

1. The Avalanche.              7. Major Goolsby's.
2. The Gym.                      8. Park Avenue.
3. The Ardmore.                 9. Mugrack.
4. O'Donohues.                 10. Lighthouse.
5. O'Pagets.
6. Hagerty's.

HoopsMalone

it's tough to say because I have really only seen Henry, Diener, and James play the point at Marquette.  (And Dan Fitzgerald)

conrad

You guys need only do one thing to realize who the greatest "pure" point guard in Marquette history was. Order the game tapes from the 1978-79 and 1979-80 films and you will see that none before or sINCE  totally ownED the team in terms of quaterbacking passing dishing and scoring as an afterthought and that is Sam Worthen, he never played with a Center over 6-9  while at Mw and only got two years in the system and dominATED IT. 6'-5" COULD BREAK PRESSES ANKLES AND ALWAYS PUT THE BALLS IN THE HANDS OF TEAMATES. PLEASE DO NOT FORGET SAM!

4everwarriors

Sam "The Sham" Worthen was good, no question. But, the absolute best Warrior point guard ever, bar none, was Dean "The Dream" Meminger. Truly, our dream, their nightmare.
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

MedicineHatSpanker

Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 17, 2009, 02:50:07 PM

Gotta disagree. Meminger was MU's best point guard ever, not even close.

100% agree. Also, Lucky Lloyd Walton was better than any of these guys, save perhaps Miller. And Jim Boylan has a ring.

bilsu

It has to be Diener. Diener could shoot, pass and handle the ball. Diener made the pros which is a strong indication he was better than Tony Miller. Miller had a big front line to pass to and he had a lot of assists because of that and the fact he could not shoot so he was looking to pass.

Nukem2

Quote from: MedicineHatSpanker on August 17, 2010, 01:49:01 AM
100% agree. Also, Lucky Lloyd Walton was better than any of these guys, save perhaps Miller. And Jim Boylan has a ring.
Agreed.

spazerak

Out of this list I say Diener, but of all-time I pick Meminger.

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