[Cracked Sidewalks] Hayward could give MU 13th biggest NBA presence

[CrackedSidewalksSays]

Hayward could give MU 13th biggest NBA presence

Written by: jpudner@concentricgrasstops.com (bamamarquettefan1)

Only 1% of Division I college basketball players make the jump to the NBA each year, so the fact that Lazar Hayward could become the 8th former Marquette player drawing an NBA paycheck next year puts MU in elite company.

Lazar has shot up to a projected 38th pick in Thursday's draft (www.nbadraft.net), and all 16 times a Marquette player has gone in the first two rounds, he has played in the NBA.  In fact, Wesley Matthews was the 14th MU player NOT drafted in the first two rounds to still make the NBA, meaning Lazar could be MUs 31st NBA player, and he could join seven former MU players who were drawing an NBA paycheck last season.

As for the future, DJO emerged as a potential future NBA player when he was selected as one of the Top 15 college guards by Chris Paul’s camp, and 5-stars like Vander Blue have a pretty good record of making the NBA (Note to Vander, we are talking about the 2014 draft for you AFTER your 4-year career at Marquette):

Colleges with the most NBA players, coaches and projected 2010 draft picks
1 UNC 23
2 Duke 18
3 UCLA 17
4 Kentucky 16
5 UConn 13
6 Kansas 13
7 Arizona 12
8 Texas 11
9 Ohio State 11
10 Florida 10
11 Georgia Tech 10
12 Notre Dame 9
13 Marquette 8
14 Alabama 8
15 Oklahoma 8
16 LSU 7
17 Memphis 7
18 Wake Forest 7
19 Syracuse 7
20 Southern California 7

Ed Davis’ projected 10th pick gives the Tar Heels 23 former players, while Jon Scheyer's rather shaky projection as the 52nd of 60 picks (14 spots behind Lazar), gives Duke 18 former players to break a tie with UCLA for 2nd.

Kentucky’s five projected picks starting with John Wall shoots them up to 4th place, while Kansas and Texas move up the list as the only other two teams with more than two projected picks this year.

Obviously, these counts won’t necessarily be the same as the actual rosters at the beginning of the next season.  We could have our hearts broken like last year’s draft with Lazar not being called, Doc Rivers (or coaches Jim Boylan or Maurice Lucas for that matter) could hang it up, and Steve Novak or Travis Diener could always be cut, though Wes Matthews and Dwyane Wade look like pretty sure things to be back.

However, this is true of any of the teams listed.  There are very few sure bets to be back as a player or coach.  And we can still hope for McNeal or James to follow Tom Copa's steps by going oversees for a couple of years before coming back to play in the NBA.

The important thing is that when players like Vander Blue get down to their short list, they are only going to consider programs that have shown they can produce NBA players.  With Buzz appearing to be able to develop players like Wes Matthews, Jimmy Butler and DJO, there are really only seven schools that can argue that they clearly offer a better chance for a player to make the NBA (Arizona, Connecticut, Duke, Kansas, Kentucky, North Carolina, UCLA) .

Marquette is really on par with the other 13 schools on this list, and ahead of the other 327 Division I schools.

MU offers recruits the opportunity to play in front of the 10th largest crowds in the country, play for one of only 11 programs to make it to the NCAA tournament all of the last five years, and go to the only program in the country where they have this strong a chance to make the NBA AND don’t have to compete with football players for attention on campus.  I mean really, why would any 4- or 5-star want to go anywhere else?

http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2010/06/hayward-could-give-mu-13th-biggest-nba.html

[Warrior]

Hayward could give MU 13th biggest NBA presence

Written by: jpudner@concentricgrasstops.com (bamamarquettefan1)

Marquette is really on par with the other 13 schools on this list, and ahead of the other 327 Division I schools.

MU offers recruits the opportunity to play in front of the 10th largest crowds in the country, play for one of only 11 programs to make it to the NCAA tournament all of the last five years, and go to the only program in the country where they have this strong a chance to make the NBA AND don’t have to compete with football players for attention on campus.  I mean really, why would any 4- or 5-star want to go anywhere else?

http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2010/06/hayward-could-give-mu-13th-biggest-nba.html

This is one of the best posts I have seen on this board ever! Thank you for the information. Marquette will continue to move up this list and many other lists like this. Special times are ahead for Marquette and our Warriors!

[bamamarquettefan]

Thank you, and thanks for reading!  i am as guilty as anyone of focusing on reallignment recently, and it's much more fun focusing on how great our former, current and potential futures players make our program.  Go Warriors indeed!

[tower912]

That list means nothing.   I am sure that thanks to Bo and the swing that Wisconsing will soon be comfortably at the top of that list.   

[bilsu]

Kentucky will have 4 or 5 first round draft picks this year. I am not sure if MU has had more than 5 first rounders since the NBA started. Now that is a talent gap.

Chones, Meminiger, Lee, Ellis, Wade, ?

[HouWarrior]

Nicely crafted--a good points analysis.

This confirms that the program talent is back up, and not since the Mcguire era have been we been as high up there, on the next level population list.

side notes-

On looking through the list one could name and recall guys from each school that we know in the NBA. But, wow--Ga Tech--no great NCAA sucesses, not a perrenial power program in most minds, and I couldnt recall but one of the ten guys in the league....talent recruited, but wasted..(see also --UT, , UCLA, and AZ)

..on the other hand...

....what name is missing from the list?.. MSU...with all their NCAA success, better than all but 4-5 teams on this list...MSU's IZZO surely confirms coaching still matters, and he should be considered one of the best, if not the very best  pure coach in the college ranks.
(see also,..gulp...UW/Ryan??--ouch)

[marquette99]

Yes, kentucky's 5 this year are included in their 16 on the list, and kentucky and the rest of the top 7 are acknowledged as being above the MU and the rest.don't think wisconsin will be recruiting or producing nba players with bo's boring offense - they could be down to ONE former player in the nba next year (devin harris), and zero coaches or assistant coaches.  Michael finley is about at the end (only 202 points last year), and their only other two players last year (brian butch and greg stiemsma) combined for 1 game played, zero points and 16k earned.  I wonder why vander thought mu was a better path to the nba?

[sailwi]

Pretty sure Maurice Lucas was a first round pick.  Doc Rivers, Sam Worthen, earl Tatum, e, Larry McNeal and Don Kojis were early 2nd round picks and would have been 1st round with today's expanded number of teams.  Chones was actually a 2nd round pick but I believe he had already signed with the ABA when the draft occurred so no one wanted to waste a 1st round pick on him.

[KipsBayEagle]

I am confused about this list.  Does it refer to players and coaches to ever grace the nba, currently active, drafted players, etc.? 

[wadefan#1]

very interesting

[romey]

I am confused about this list.  Does it refer to players and coaches to ever grace the nba, currently active, drafted players, etc.? 

Current NBA rosters and staff and projected draft picks.

[goodgreatgrand]

I'd be more interested in a list that shows the number of lottery picks or first round draft picks per school. From a recruiting standpoint, those numbers mean the most. No top recruit says, "I want to be the next great second rounder."

[BostonBaller]

I think that Jerel has a good shot at making into the NBA this season after talking to him this weekend he said Charlotte has been giving him a good look....

[Dr. Blackheart]

Marquette 15th all-time in players drafted with 50. Nineteen in the first two rounds.  Five first rounders but Chones would have been if he didn't jump to ABA in-season.  

Might add, rumor is Lawrence Frank will join Doc's staff too.  Not a player for MU but a grad student in the coaching tree.   And, the CBE will induct triangle architect Tex Winter this Fall.  All in all, pretty strong NBA ties with the Bucks in the backyard.

http://statsheet.com/mcb/drafts/report_team_picks

http://statsheet.com/mcb/drafts/team/marquette

[bamamarquettefan]

True, and I think you can argue that by today's standards of the top 30 players going in the first round, we've had a dozen first round picks.  See the list below, but we've had 9 go in the Top 30, Terry Rand was reportedly the first round pick of draft back in 1955 when they didn't announce the order, and I believe in addition to Chones, that George Thompson only fell to the 5th round because the ABA had picked him already, but I am at an airport and don't have the resources with me.  In addition, Rivers, Erickson, Novak and McIlwaine all went 31st or 32nd in their draft, so there were right on the border.

First name   Last   Draft Selection   Round drafted   Year Chosen
1. Dwyane   Wade   5   1st   2003
2. Alfred (Butch)   Lee   10   1st    1978
3. Maurice   Lucas   14   1st    1974
4. Dean   Meminger   16   1st    1971
5. Maurice (Bo)   Ellis   17   1st    1977
6. Earl   Tatum   21   2nd   1976
7. Don   Kojis   21   2nd    1961
8. Larry   McNeil   25   2nd   1973
9. Sam   Worthen   26   2nd   1980
10. Terry Rand   1955 (didn't announce order then)
Just Missed
11. Jim   Chones   31   2nd    1973
12. Glen (Doc)   Rivers   31   2nd    1983
13. Dave   Erickson   31   4th    1963
14. Steve   Novak   32   2nd   2006
15, Jim   McIlvaine   32   2nd   1994
16. George Thompson was picked in the 5th round, but I believe the ABA already had him, but will stand corrected.

[cheebs09]

I think that Jerel has a good shot at making into the NBA this season after talking to him this weekend he said Charlotte has been giving him a good look....

That's great to hear. Hopefully he can stick with them. As a Chicago kid, playing for MJ's team would be surreal i imagine. Hopefully James can get a shot, at least to play summer league and give teams a chance to look at him. Either way I'm excited to keep track of him and Lazar this summer, not to mention how Wesley's free agency ends up.

[bamamarquettefan]

I did get a question offline, saying it was confusing who was included in my counts of former players with a chance to draw NBA checks next year in the NBA.  I probably should have just spelled out a couple of examples.

Below I will list Marquette's 8 players (13th best), UNC's 23 players (by far the best) and Wisconsin's 4 players (yes I count anyone on a roster last year, even though Badgers Brian Butch and Greg Stiemsma combined for 1 game played, 0 points, and $16k earned last year pushes the Badgers from up from a 64th place tie with basketball powers like Frostburg State, Wayne State, Portland State, Seattle, Moorhead State, Arkansas Little-Rock and 30 other teams for 63rd place with only two former players all the way up to 36th place with four former players).

Projected Draft Picks (1) - Lazar Hayward
NBA Coaches and assistants (3) - Doc Rivers, Jim Boylan, Maurice Lucas
NBA Players (4) - Dwyane Wade, Steve Novak, Travis Diener, Wes Matthews
Total 8 former Marquette players

Projected Draft Picks (0)
NBA Coaches and assistants (0)
NBA Players (4) - Michael Finley, Devin Harris, Brian Butch, Greg Stiemsma
Total 4 former Wisconsin players

Projected Draft Picks (1) - Ed Davis
NBA Coaches and assistants (8) - John Kuester, Pat Sullivan, Joe Wolf, Larry Brown, Phil Ford, Dave Hanners, Bob McAdoo, George Karl
NBA Players (14) - Rasheed Wallace, Danny Green, Antawn Jamison, Jawad Williams, Tyler Hansbrough, Jerry Stackhouse, Marvin Williams, Raymond Felton, Vince Carter, Brendan Haywood, Brandan Wright, Sena May, Ty Lawson, Wayne Ellington
Total 23 former UNC players

[mosarsour]

True, and I think you can argue that by today's standards of the top 30 players going in the first round, we've had a dozen first round picks.  See the list below, but we've had 9 go in the Top 30, Terry Rand was reportedly the first round pick of draft back in 1955 when they didn't announce the order, and I believe in addition to Chones, that George Thompson only fell to the 5th round because the ABA had picked him already, but I am at an airport and don't have the resources with me.  In addition, Rivers, Erickson, Novak and McIlwaine all went 31st or 32nd in their draft, so there were right on the border.

First name   Last   Draft Selection   Round drafted   Year Chosen
1. Dwyane   Wade   5   1st   2003
2. Alfred (Butch)   Lee   10   1st    1978
3. Maurice   Lucas   14   1st    1974
4. Dean   Meminger   16   1st    1971
5. Maurice (Bo)   Ellis   17   1st    1977
6. Earl   Tatum   21   2nd   1976
7. Don   Kojis   21   2nd    1961
8. Larry   McNeil   25   2nd   1973
9. Sam   Worthen   26   2nd   1980
10. Terry Rand   1955 (didn't announce order then)
Just Missed
11. Jim   Chones   31   2nd    1973
12. Glen (Doc)   Rivers   31   2nd    1983
13. Dave   Erickson   31   4th    1963
14. Steve   Novak   32   2nd   2006
15, Jim   McIlvaine   32   2nd   1994
16. George Thompson was picked in the 5th round, but I believe the ABA already had him, but will stand corrected.

Diener....

[MUONTOP]

As for the future, DJO emerged as a potential future NBA player when he was selected as one of the Top 15 college guards by Chris Paul’s camp.

I thought DJO was selected to Paul's camp because he was a top 15 player from Paul's home state of North Carolina, not because he was one of the top 15 guards in the nation. I may be wrong and its still great experience and great exposure and DJO may even still have a very good chance at the NBA but I wanted to make sure I understood Paul's camp selections. Can anyone shed some light?

[bamamarquettefan]

On DJO, my understanding was that the high school players in the camp are split half North Carolina and half from the rest of the US, but that the college players are picked from throughout the US regardless.  I am not 100% sure, but i believe that's what I've read in the past.

On the Diener question before, yes, Diener was just below that list, coming in as the 38th pick in 2005. Diener is one of 10 other players who would have been solid 2nd round picks by today's standards of 60 picks in the first two rounds:
Bernard   Toone   37   1979
Travis   Diener   38   2005
Lloyd   Walton   40   1976
Jerome   Whitehead   41   1978
Michael   Wilson   47   1982
Allie   McGuire   49   1973
Amal   McCaskill   49   1996
Chris   Crawford   51   1997
Tony   Smith   51   1990
Gary   Brell   51   1971