2010-2011 Starters

[Golden Avalanche]

Why would you expect someone a freshman, who didn't play point guard in high school, to start over a sophomore who was considered one of the top 10-15 point guards in the country coming out of high school?

Because that Sophomore is really no more then a glorified Freshman who couldn't go left and may have lingering issues with the achilles which would open the door for a recruit who didn't choose Marquette to sit on the bench.

I think every one of our players will have questions asked about them and it's not a crazy thought for some fans to think a Freshman will start.

[Hards Alumni]

nice spin!

Junior is a solid PG.  He played in more than a few games, and has a lot more practice time on either of the recruits.  He is used to the college schedule and load.

There has been no indication that Junior has any lingering issues with his heel.

[GOMU1104]

Junior is the only pure pg on the 2010 roster.  I think Vander has the ability, and can/wants to develop into a PG. But going into next year...Im not sure he will be ready to get more minutes than Junior at the PG position.

[NersEllenson]

nice spin!

Junior is a solid PG.  He played in more than a few games, and has a lot more practice time on either of the recruits.  He is used to the college schedule and load.

There has been no indication that Junior has any lingering issues with his heel.

Agree..the step up from Wisconsin HS basketball to high-major ball is a big one.  I don't think we saw the real Junior last year.  As many have said/predicted, Junior could evolve into a Levance Field's type of player..nothing really sexy about his game..just effective.  Vander Blue is certainly more of an electryifying type of talent, and likely will be a great player at MU..but I'm not ready to concede the point position to Vander just yet...but if Buzz wants to go "big" we could then see Vander at the point.

[BCHoopster]

Vander might be the back-up for 3 positions next year, so his playing time will be 20-25 minutes
per game.  He might be Jimmy Butler of 2 years ago.

[Golden Avalanche]

FYI, recruiting analyst Jerry Meyer weighed in on some of this in his latest column (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1089832).

The transition is difficult but if a prospect is thought to be the best Freshman PG coming into the league, the best impact player coming into the league, the best perimeter scorer coming into the league, and the best defender coming into the league by one analyst then perhaps this is one recruit who can make the transition for Buzz.

I'm just writing that it's not crazy to expect Blue to start and its not crazy to expect him to have a great impact as a Freshman. It happens all around the country. Further, even with Cadougan being highly rated out of prep, his less than stellar 50 minutes of playing time last year isn't enough for this observer to definitively believe he's the starter.

[Hards Alumni]

FYI, recruiting analyst Jerry Meyer weighed in on some of this in his latest column (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1089832).

The transition is difficult but if a prospect is thought to be the best Freshman PG coming into the league, the best impact player coming into the league, the best perimeter scorer coming into the league, and the best defender coming into the league by one analyst then perhaps this is one recruit who can make the transition for Buzz.

I'm just writing that it's not crazy to expect Blue to start and its not crazy to expect him to have a great impact as a Freshman. It happens all around the country. Further, even with Cadougan being highly rated out of prep, his less than stellar 50 minutes of playing time last year isn't enough for this observer to definitively believe he's the starter.

No, it isn't crazy to think it, we just have differing opinions.  50 minutes of playing time is hard to judge, because he actually only played in conference games...  Had he not been injured, he'd probably have been playing at least 20-25 a game. 

Don't get me wrong, I am very excited about VB suiting up.  I guess I have always been a little more cynical than most... but I think he will be a solid player for us this year, just not our starting PG or have the most minutes at PG.

[GGGG]

Vander might be the back-up for 3 positions next year, so his playing time will be 20-25 minutes
per game.  He might be Jimmy Butler of 2 years ago.

This.  I think Blue is the #4 guard in an offense that starts three guards.  My guess is that Junior, Buycks and DJO will be the starters at least at the beginning of the year.  And that Blue will be on the floor with two of the others most of the time.  And yes, he will get a lot of minutes.

And if Blue starts in front of anyone, it will be Buycks.

[JPapi2525]

1. Cadougan
2. DJO
3. Butler
4.Fulce
5. Otule

First off bench:
Buycks
Crowder
Blue
Williams
Jones

Buzz loves hard working experienced players. I believe this will be the starting line up at the beginning of the season, but I can definitely see Crowder jumping into the starting line up during mid season. I think Buycks will be a nice suprise coming off the bench being a solid role player and good defender. Hopefull E-Will can develop his offensive game and start hustling on defense because he has all the talent in the world. Give Jones and Blue one year to get their feet wet, and watch them explode the following year.

[77ncaachamps]

Why would you expect someone a freshman, who didn't play point guard in high school, to start over a sophomore who was considered one of the top 10-15 point guards in the country coming out of high school?

This thread is based on speculation so I speculate that Vander should be worthy of starting ahead of a rehabbing PG. Junior hasn't proved himself to be a solid PG yet as he's only managed to get a couple of minutes here and there.

I give Vander the edge based on his explosiveness and ability to get to the hoop. Yes, I haven't seen him (or any of the newcomers take on the current players in pick-up games) but what I have seen is Cadougan's lack of explosiveness (when compared to Vander).

So, going back to my initial post, if Vander doesn't work his butt off to be one of the other three players to join Butler and DJO, then so be it.

[GOMU1104]

This thread is based on speculation so I speculate that Vander should be worthy of starting ahead of a rehabbing PG. Junior hasn't proved himself to be a solid PG yet as he's only managed to get a couple of minutes here and there.

I give Vander the edge based on his explosiveness and ability to get to the hoop. Yes, I haven't seen him (or any of the newcomers take on the current players in pick-up games) but what I have seen is Cadougan's lack of explosiveness (when compared to Vander).

So, going back to my initial post, if Vander doesn't work his butt off to be one of the other three players to join Butler and DJO, then so be it.

Vander isnt really a PG right now, hes better on the wing. Even he has admitted that he needs to develop his PG skills.  But yet, you give him "the edge based on his explosiveness and ability to get to the hoop" without watching him play?

We dont yet know what Junior is capable of at the D1 level when healthy.  He didn't contribute much last year BECAUSE HE TORE HIS ACHILLIES and was significantly behind.  He is a pure PG though...unlike Vander...and when he was healthy during HS, he was one of the best PGs in the nation.

Dont get me wrong, I am very excited to have Vander as a part of this program. I just think some people are writing off Junior based on what happened last year.

[wojosdojo]

Vander isnt really a PG right now, hes better on the wing. Even he has admitted that he needs to develop his PG skills.  But yet, you give him "the edge based on his explosiveness and ability to get to the hoop" without watching him play?

We dont yet know what Junior is capable of at the D1 level when healthy.  He didn't contribute much last year BECAUSE HE TORE HIS ACHILLIES and was significantly behind.  He is a pure PG though...unlike Vander...and when he was healthy during HS, he was one of the best PGs in the nation.

Dont get me wrong, I am very excited to have Vander as a part of this program. I just think some people are writing off Junior based on what happened last year.

+1


What are the chances of Vander playing the point? I understand it'll help him for his nba future, but does Buzz even want him at the 1?

[PhillyCoach]

im sitting back reading this stuff and im amazed at some of the comments. The only thing that makes blue a pg is his size not his game. Ive seen him and he is a great athlete and a deadly outside shooter. He is not really good off the bounce and someone said it best he wasnt a pg in high school. Junior and smith along with newbill r the only true pg mu has with newbill being able to switch to the 2 an 3 bcause of size 6ft 4or5 and skill level. He is more like a gilbert arenas type player. Not saying that he will start but i think when its all said and done dj will be ln the floor alot. I think to make a true assesment we must see these guys in action and know their skill level and capabilities. Forgive me if i mispelled a word or 2.

[Skatastrophy]

im sitting back reading this stuff and im amazed at some of the comments. The only thing that makes blue a pg is his size not his game. Ive seen him and he is a great athlete and a deadly outside shooter. He is not really good off the bounce and someone said it best he wasnt a pg in high school. Junior and smith along with newbill r the only true pg mu has with newbill being able to switch to the 2 an 3 bcause of size 6ft 4or5 and skill level. He is more like a gilbert arenas type player. Not saying that he will start but i think when its all said and done dj will be ln the floor alot. I think to make a true assesment we must see these guys in action and know their skill level and capabilities. Forgive me if i mispelled a word or 2.

I agree that Blue seems like more of a natural 2, but he's interested in playing the 1.

Edit:  Here's one of the articles where Blue mentioned playing the 1.

FTA:
"Right now I'm looking at myself being more of a 1, and then adjusting to being more of a 2," he said. "At Memorial I was playing mostly the 3-4, pretty much because I was taller than everybody else. I want to be more of a 1, but Coach Buzz says that I'm just a basketball player and I'm going to be out on the floor. I want to play more of the 1 because I've looked at the conference and I've watched NBA games and I've watched a lot of film on John Wall, because me and him, I feel, have a lot of similarities. We're both tall but we're quick with the ball, and that's tough for teams to handle."

[Golden Avalanche]

im sitting back reading this stuff and im amazed at some of the comments. The only thing that makes blue a pg is his size not his game. Ive seen him and he is a great athlete and a deadly outside shooter. He is not really good off the bounce and someone said it best he wasnt a pg in high school. Junior and smith along with newbill r the only true pg mu has with newbill being able to switch to the 2 an 3 bcause of size 6ft 4or5 and skill level. He is more like a gilbert arenas type player. Not saying that he will start but i think when its all said and done dj will be ln the floor alot. I think to make a true assesment we must see these guys in action and know their skill level and capabilities. Forgive me if i mispelled a word or 2.

What do you think of national recruiting analyst Jerry Meyer calling Blue the best incoming PG to the Big East? Think he's just off on that? Mixed up positions? Or does he see something different in Blue then most everyone else?

And calling Smith a true PG seems to contradict most of the scouting reports on him from Chicago. Even the heavy hitting, MU-leaning recruitniks have written that Smith really needs to work on his skills to be effective at the 1 in college.

As ever, no one really knows what the new players will become.

[PhillyCoach]

i agree with that last statement. And buzz lives by the motto wdyln, where do you live now. Not the past, not the future, now. So what ever skill level and position these frosh currently posess, now thats what buzz has to blend for the success of mu bball during the 2010-2011 season.