Lazar 2nd Team All Big East...

[MU-007]

No respect for Hayward. Especially considering how well he played while the young guys got their feet wet.

Let's hope for a couple great games in the tournament to prove the doubters wrong.

[The Pickle]

100% agree!

Monroe and Harangody both made 1st team based on reputation.

I love Lazar and I hate Harangody more than anyone but...Harangody led the league in scoring (Yes, he missed 5 games but if Lazar had missed the same I wouldn't have discredited what he did in the games in which he played.) and he was 3rd in rebounding.  Meanwhile, as I posted before, I would much rather have Lazar on my team than Monroe but statistically they are nearly the same.  I would have to disagree with you that the two of them made it based on reputation, especially when Monroe is only a sophomore.  To each his own.  Had Lazar made first team, I don't think anyone would be questioning Harangody and Monroe being on there with him...

[MerrittsMustache]

I love Lazar and I hate Harangody more than anyone but...Harangody led the league in scoring (Yes, he missed 5 games but if Lazar had missed the same I wouldn't have discredited what he did in the games in which he played.) and he was 3rd in rebounding.  Meanwhile, as I posted before, I would much rather have Lazar on my team than Monroe but statistically they are nearly the same.  I would have to disagree with you that the two of them made it based on reputation, especially when Monroe is only a sophomore.  To each his own.  Had Lazar made first team, I don't think anyone would be questioning Harangody and Monroe being on there with him...

What does being a soph have to do with it? Especially sinceMonroe was a McDonald's AA and a potential lottery pick had he left following his freshman season.

Harangody puts up big numbers but they are often to the detriment of the team because he's an incredibly selfish player. You can't discredit his stats, but they don't tell the whole story.

[LON]

What does being a soph have to do with it? Especially sinceMonroe was a McDonald's AA and a potential lottery pick had he left following his freshman season.

Harangody puts up big numbers but they are often to the detriment of the team because he's an incredibly selfish player. You can't discredit his stats, but they don't tell the whole story.

Harangody is a chucker and Monroe just seems disinterested at times.

I couldn't care less about how old either of them are or how many games Shrek missed while trying to rescue Princess Fiona.

Neither deserved it over Lazar.

/my $.02

EDIT: grammar

[The Pickle]

What does being a soph have to do with it?

I was responding to the other post which stated Monroe and Harangody got first team on reputation.  I was saying it seems unlikely Monroe has much of a reputation as he has only been at GU two years...

[hoyasincebirth]

I'm not going to start a debate since i already went down this road preseason and it didn't end well.

I'll just say that looking at the conference only statistics on the big east's website
Greg Monroe is the second leading rebounder, 11th in scoring, 14th in assists the only non guard to make the list, 9th in blocks and would be 17th in steals if they went down that low since he's .1 behind the two people tied at 15th.
He's also 9th in FG%

Hayward is 8th in scoring, 7th in rebounds, not on the list for assists, not on the list for blocks, 2nd in steals, and not on the list for FG%

Those who dismiss monroe as passive or not a leader really didn't watch Georgetown this entire season since on numerous occasions he took us on his back and led us to victory.

I think the biggest thing to be gained from looking at the bigeast's official stats is that because of his 5 game absence Harangody did not play in 75% of his teams games so was not eligible for any of the stats lists. One would think it ought to have precluded him from the all conference teams too or at least first team. I think haragody is overrated and should've been bumped down to second team. His team is so much better with out him.  I'd be perfectly ok with putting Hayward on first team and getting rid of Harangody. But monroe is a first team selection. The main problem is the quality of this league. In all honesty people thought it was dumb to have ten person first team, but i'd be in favor of it. Honestly, Hayward, Gibbs, Freeman, and Rautins all deserved first team too.

[Henry Sugar]

Those who dismiss monroe as passive or not a leader really didn't watch Georgetown this entire season since on numerous occasions he took us on his back and led us to victory.  probably saw Lazar rip a rebound out of Monroe's hands to secure the Marquette victory over Georgetown

62-59'd for you

[MerrittsMustache]

I was responding to the other post which stated Monroe and Harangody got first team on reputation.  I was saying it seems unlikely Monroe has much of a reputation as he has only been at GU two years...

Yes, I responded that he was a McDonald's All-American and likely would have been a lottery pick had he left following his freshman season. He was also the BE Rookie of the Year. That's a pretty solid reputation.

[MerrittsMustache]

Those who dismiss monroe as passive or not a leader really didn't watch Georgetown this entire season since on numerous occasions he took us on his back and led us to victory.

I think the main issue with Monroe is that with his size, athleticism and ability, it just feels like he should be better than he is. He's simply not the consistent, dominant big man that many people perceive him to be. He shows some flashes (as they say), but he also has games where he's a total non-factor (like all 3 games he's played against MU).

As MU fans, we're probably a little biased against Monroe because 1) he hasn't been much of a factor in 3 meetings with undersized MU and 2) we look at players like him and feel jealous because we'd love to see just how good Lazar would be if we could put his heart, desire and determination into a body like Monroe's.

[hoyasincebirth]

"Those who dismiss monroe as passive or not a leader really didn't watch Georgetown this entire season since on numerous occasions he took us on his back and led us to victory.  probably saw Lazar rip a rebound out of Monroe's hands to secure the Marquette victory over Georgetown"

Oh you mean when Monroe was clearly shoved out of bounds by hayward and we should've had freethrows? I'm no bitter at all. You guys played a heck of a game and shot out of your minds from 3 you deserved to win that day. I'd love to get another shot at you though.

Everyone game plans for monroe. He forces the other teams to adapt to the way he plays. So some teams choose to take away monroe and this leaves other people open. Greg has been very consistent this year. The lowest points total he recorded was 8. he only failed to reach double digits 4 times all year. The point is when he's not scoring he does so much else. It also makes no sense to penalize him for expectations coming into the big east the point is just looking at his play he's first team good it shouldn't matter if people think he should be doing better. He has never been a non factor. Even when he's not scoring he's a factor setting people up grabbing rebounds and playing defense.

any way http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2010-0308/nbe-post-season-all-big-east-teams-awards/

here's something we can all agree on.