Newbill Pennsylvania Class AA Player of the Year

[Lennys Tap]

When bma725 talks....people listen.

I agree but....what did he say?

[Dawson Rental]

Jeez...

What a nice thread.  Newbill wins state player of the year!!!  Too bad we don't think he's good enough to play here.   

What do you mean "we" Kimosabe?

I'm real excited to see that Marquette's got a guy who gets player of the year for his class in PA, and when I read the thread, its all about how we're gonna dump him.  Unbelievable.

[bilsu]

Maybe not the first year, but Newbill will be a very good player for MU. There is no way Buzz is going to dump him. If he did that after the Roseboro incident, he would never get another recruit from Pennsylvania. Besides that he is  qualified.

[Dawson Rental]

Maybe not the first year, but Newbill will be a very good player for MU. There is no way Buzz is going to dump him. If he did that after the Roseboro incident, he would never get another recruit from Pennsylvania. Besides that he is  qualified.

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[muhoops1]

I agree but....what did he say?

Nothing.  Therefore, it is all speculation.  bma725 and Fox News are my only sources of information

[damuts222]

 I thinks there is no problem in discussing possible recruits for this year but lets not speculate on who's leaving to make room for said recruit. Our recruiting has gotten better in the last couple of years and I feel that some fans are getting more of a chip on their shoulder and getting the opinion that we can act like some other schools out there in dealing with recruits and wild speculation about many unknowns.

I love speculating about who is going to join our team, but it feels wrong to speculate about who you think is leaving because deep down it shows that you want them to leave, IMO.

[WellsstreetWanderer]

I agree .buzz has done a great job with his "gets" and they will be terrific additions to the squad. If he is still recruiting he knows what he is doing and it will be above board.

[ErickJD08]

I thinks there is no problem in discussing possible recruits for this year but lets not speculate on who's leaving to make room for said recruit. Our recruiting has gotten better in the last couple of years and I feel that some fans are getting more of a chip on their shoulder and getting the opinion that we can act like some other schools out there in dealing with recruits and wild speculation about many unknowns.

I love speculating about who is going to join our team, but it feels wrong to speculate about who you think is leaving because deep down it shows that you want them to leave, IMO.

I think its a legit question though.  If Buzz is still recruiting, someone is going to be on the outside looking in (or else where).  We all know so little about what kids are thinking or feeling.  Maybe someone wants to leave.  Who knows.  But as fans, we can talk about who we would squeeze out in our own little hypothetical worlds.  Essentially, the question is "Who do you think will benefit the team the least out of our current roster or commits?"  Its just a message board.  Nothing to get worked up over.

[jmd1914]

Im originally from Philly and one of my good friends is the son of one of the more popular Philadelphia sports writers, Rich Hoffman.He follows all the recruiting stuff really closely and I trust his opinion more than anyone so asked him about Newbill and this is what he said:

"i saw him play once live last year and on tv this year.. hes nice i do know that he was the best player in the public league and maybe the best player in the city... hes like a 6'4 guard who can score anyway he wants... i like his game too he doesnt force anything hes gonna be a good player for marquette hes their kind of player hell get better as he goes along... he didnt really play alot before his junior year is why he didn't get recruited but i think hes really good this site should help

http://www.recruitrecon.com/index.php?option=com_recruit&task=showplayerprofile&id=238"

[MuMark]

I think we can all put the Newbill won't ever play for Marquette BS to bed. He will be here in July taking courses.


http://www.philly.com/dailynews/sports/20100412_Near-perfect_DJ_finishing_on_high_note.html

[brewcity77]

Florida State, West Virginia, and Nebraska all offered him, I think it's safe to say that he's going to be a quality player. My guess is M'Bao paying his own way, taking a redshirt, or transferring.

[goodgreatgrand]

Anybody know what Buzz'z recruiting strategy actually is? Is he going to be mixing juco's with true freshmen all along the way? While it is nice to have jucos (kids that have the experience and are physically mature enough to play in the BE), I would much prefer to watch kids develop over the course of four years. I want to see how good Buzz's recruits are as true freshmen, how well he develops them over 3-4 years and what the team accomplishes.

Here in nyc (and working for some old-school BE alums), i constantly get "Hey, its nice that coach of yours brings in jucos and makes the team competitive. Since you cant compete with us [Pitt, Syracuse, UConn, Nova] for the top true freshmen, it's good that your coach is using other recruiting avenues that are less competitive." At this point in the conversation, I imagine myself giving the guy a black eye. But so far....I guess it really is true.

[Skatastrophy]

Anybody know what Buzz'z recruiting strategy actually is? Is he going to be mixing juco's with true freshmen all along the way? While it is nice to have jucos (kids that have the experience and are physically mature enough to play in the BE), I would much prefer to watch kids develop over the course of four years. I want to see how good Buzz's recruits are as true freshmen, how well he develops them over 3-4 years and what the team accomplishes.

Here in nyc (and working for some old-school BE alums), i constantly get "Hey, its nice that coach of yours brings in jucos and makes the team competitive. Since you cant compete with us [Pitt, Syracuse, UConn, Nova] for the top true freshmen, it's good that your coach is using other recruiting avenues that are less competitive." At this point in the conversation, I imagine myself giving the guy a black eye. But so far....I guess it really is true.

Buzz's contacts happen to be from JUCO's and the deep south.  It will take a while (or a great assistant hire) for him to really open up his avenues on the East Coast.

Right now your buddies are right.  The thing is that all JUCO kids are given a bad rep for whatever reason.  The guys that Buzz has been recruiting have been well spoken and have been representing the university well.  With young men like that in our program I don't particularly care where they come from (personally).

[Hards Alumni]

Recruiting JUCO players was to balance the scholarships.  Nothing more.

That said, MU would be stupid to not grab a JUCO AA here and there.

[cheebs09]

If Fulce, Butler, DJO, Buycks, and Crowder are our "consolation prizes" for not being able to recruit high school players I think we'll be ok.

[GOMU1104]

Buzz will continue to recruit the JUCO ranks. I wouldn't be surprised if we get 1 per year.  It is what he knows...he has alot of contacts.  During one of Crowder's games that was streamed, Buzz was in the stands watching.  The announcers brought him over and interviewed him during the entire halftime break.  He said something to the effect of:

"In the Midwest, they dont necessarily understand the JUCO system, it is different up there than it is down in the south...There is alot of talent in the Junior Colleges and if you ignore it you are going to miss out on good players every year..."

Obviously you have to land them, but I bet Buzz pursues the top JUCOs every year.

[brewcity77]

There's not a team in the country that wouldn't find room for DJO to get minutes. He may not start everywhere, but a guy with his range, slashing ability, and defense could play anywhere. JuCo or not, he's a high-level talent. And since joining the Big East, we're 54-32 in league play, a 0.628 winning percentage. No shame in that whatsoever.

Butler, Buycks, and Fulce have proven that this route works. Crowder will likely continue to do the same.

[Lennys Tap]

Anybody know what Buzz'z recruiting strategy actually is? Is he going to be mixing juco's with true freshmen all along the way? While it is nice to have jucos (kids that have the experience and are physically mature enough to play in the BE), I would much prefer to watch kids develop over the course of four years. I want to see how good Buzz's recruits are as true freshmen, how well he develops them over 3-4 years and what the team accomplishes.

Here in nyc (and working for some old-school BE alums), i constantly get "Hey, its nice that coach of yours brings in jucos and makes the team competitive. Since you cant compete with us [Pitt, Syracuse, UConn, Nova] for the top true freshmen, it's good that your coach is using other recruiting avenues that are less competitive." At this point in the conversation, I imagine myself giving the guy a black eye. But so far....I guess it really is true.

In two freshman classes Buzz has signed 5 consensus top 100 recruits (Cadougan, Maymon, E Williams, Blue and Jones) and 1 just out of the top 100 (Smith). Maybe your NYC pals missed that. Our upperclassmen (Fulce, Butler, Buycks, DJO and Crowder) are jucos who fill the empty cupboard Buzz inherited. His recruiting strategy is to fill the roster with high D1 talent - in 2 years he's done a remarkable job.

[goodgreatgrand]

In two freshman classes Buzz has signed 5 consensus top 100 recruits (Cadougan, Maymon, E Williams, Blue and Jones) and 1 just out of the top 100 (Smith). Maybe your NYC pals missed that. Our upperclassmen (Fulce, Butler, Buycks, DJO and Crowder) are jucos who fill the empty cupboard Buzz inherited. His recruiting strategy is to fill the roster with high D1 talent - in 2 years he's done a remarkable job.

As stated in my post, my co-workers are Pitt, Syracuse, Nova and UConn alums. Buzz may get the award for handing out the most scholarships, but do you think UConn and Syracuse fans get overly excited about a top 100 recruit? Top 10, yes. Top 20 also works. It seems like if they land a 75-100 ranked recruit, it's because they missed out on a top 20.

[NersEllenson]

As stated in my post, my co-workers are Pitt, Syracuse, Nova and UConn alums. Buzz may get the award for handing out the most scholarships, but do you think UConn and Syracuse fans get overly excited about a top 100 recruit? Top 10, yes. Top 20 also works. It seems like if they land a 75-100 ranked recruit, it's because they missed out on a top 20.

The only school who has consistently outperformed MU on the court in the Big East is Syracuse - tough to argue that.  However, you can tell your UCONN, PITT, and Nova fans that wherever our recruits come from - they compete and have won at least 50% of games played head to head.   While the rankings for recruits are nice, it is the results on the court that matter - and in this regard MU has nothing to be ashamed of.  And, as Buzz gets more and more established, and continues to show he can coach, and his players rave about him as a person and a coach - his job as a recruiter will only get easier.

[GGGG]

As stated in my post, my co-workers are Pitt, Syracuse, Nova and UConn alums. Buzz may get the award for handing out the most scholarships, but do you think UConn and Syracuse fans get overly excited about a top 100 recruit? Top 10, yes. Top 20 also works. It seems like if they land a 75-100 ranked recruit, it's because they missed out on a top 20.

"I want Buzz to get better recruits so I can brag to my co-workers."

As with the NFL draft, so many people get wrapped up in the recruiting as if it's the end-game.  No, the end-game is winning on the court.  Clearly recruiting helps you with that, but I don't care if Buzz wins with four dwarfs and a guy on a peg-leg, as long as he wins.  You can stack MU's record against many BE teams since MU joined the conference and they are up there in the top part of the conference.

[ChicosBailBonds]

The only school who has consistently outperformed MU on the court in the Big East is Syracuse - tough to argue that.   can coach, and his players rave about him as a person and a coach - his job as a recruiter will only get easier.

Actually the school that has is Pitt.  They've made the NCAAs like 9 straight years and had double digit wins in each of those years in the Big East.

[Dawson Rental]

Actually the school that has is Pitt.  They've made the NCAAs like 9 straight years and had double digit wins in each of those years in the Big East.

I think that Ners was talking about head to head meetings with 'Cuse, rather than overall results.  You are right on about the overall records, though.

[Dawson Rental]

"I want Buzz to get better recruits so I can brag to my co-workers."

As with the NFL draft, so many people get wrapped up in the recruiting as if it's the end-game.  No, the end-game is winning on the court.  Clearly recruiting helps you with that, but I don't care if Buzz wins with four dwarfs and a guy on a peg-leg, as long as he wins.  You can stack MU's record against many BE teams since MU joined the conference and they are up there in the top part of the conference.

goodgreatgrand,

Just wait until the season rolls around.  Assuming we beat your co-workers alma maters, its gotta be fun to say; "Hey, I know we can't recruit like you guys.  Luckily, it doesn't seem to matter when we play."  Then smirk.