No Shame

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Admissions to a private university are different than federally governed hiring and staffing rules

Just because the US government says it's ok, doesn't make it right.

What happened to honor, integrity and character? Those things only apply to the head coach, and not to the admissions department?

[ChicosBailBonds]

If this little thing upsets you then you must have gone ballistic when someone left her $350k/yr. hospital job and it was eliminated afterward

LOL  +1

[warthog-driver]

How exactly were the tenets of the free market broken?

MU as a private entity hired a guy they wanted to hire, paid him exactly what they wanted to pay him, and did so completely free of any government intervention whatsoever.

A violation of the free market would be if the government said MU cannot hire Jack Harbaugh.  Or put restrictions on what they could pay him.  Or dictated that they must hire someone else that fits some racial/economic/gender profile.

Frankly hiring Jack Harbaugh is as close to the free enterprise system as you can get.  MU had the money, and the spent it how THEY wanted--not how you or the government would do so.

Free market means MU would have only created the position if it could be justified in terms of IRR, would have competitively bid the job in the open market, assembled a pool of candidates, conducted fair, transparent interviews, judged each candidate on their merit and how each would advance the business against objective metrics and standards, offered a competitive wage and benefits package that met internal equities and commensurate with market rates, extended an offer on that basis alone.

In this case, MU broke every single one of these firmly eatablished free market tenets and did a Stalinist make up a job and pay whatever we feel like and give it to the family member.

This is free market capitalism - not how the Jack Harbaugh case went down at MU.

[tower912]

Its even possible that TC created a job within his structure custom made for father-in-law and then gave it to him.   SFW?    Harbaugh as a running back coach actually is a great hire.    He has the expertise, the background, the necessary qualifications and he gets along with the head coach.    No problema.    Marinelli at Detroit (ok, anything with the Lions is a bad example, but play along) hired his completely qualified son-in-law.    There is no federal case here.    And again, Crean has been gone for 20 freaking months!!!!    Grow up and move on!!!!

[warthog-driver]

Its even possible that TC created a job within his structure custom made for father-in-law and then gave it to him.   SFW?    Harbaugh as a running back coach actually is a great hire.    He has the expertise, the background, the necessary qualifications and he gets along with the head coach.    No problema.    Marinelli at Detroit (ok, anything with the Lions is a bad example, but play along) hired his completely qualified son-in-law.    There is no federal case here.    And again, Crean has been gone for 20 freaking months!!!!    Grow up and move on!!!!

Actually just rabble rousing these days, Tower. I really have no dog in any of these fights. I have been off to Al Asad and the 'Stan so much over these past three years that I have more than 90 days of leave on the books and I either use it or lose it so I'm just hangin' at the hangar. I'm waiting for the kids to get back then we're off to Taos for skiing.

One observation I have made visiting here is that you can always trigger a rousing discussion if you mention Wisconsin, Crean, Huggins, Notre Dame, or Pitino. I actually have little concern one way or the other on these matters. Topics that have lost some of their cache include Mike Deane, The Piano Man Era, transfer rates, brutal/exhausting workouts, The Red Baron/JG/Murffius, the A10 and why MU needs to be there, the NASCAR conference, JUCOs, and George W. Bush.

Internet boards are interesting places since they are anonymous and, because of that anonymity, many exercise tremendous courage as there is no accountability. Internet boards are also replete with obtuse logic, inaccuracies, and questionable judgment but, let's face it, therein lies the entertainment value. 

[avid1010]

what is about the Harbaugh's that makes you uncomfortable? Is it the unblushing jock family arrogance? The brazen sense of entitlement - especially from Jim? Or is it the audacious presumption of this clan where they take turns manufacturing bogus employment for the patriarch? The Old Man should be embarrassed but I don't believe that word is in the Harbaugh family dictionary.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/bowls09/news/story?id=4731857

You've gone on a complete ramble about everything under the sun, yet the free market would dictate you can hire whomever you want for however much you want to pay them.  You sound much closer to a union leader than an advocate for the free market.  

[warthog-driver]

You've gone on a complete ramble about everything under the sun, yet the free market would dictate you can hire whomever you want for however much you want to pay them.  You sound much closer to a union leader than an advocate for the free market.  

No. Let me reiterate certain fundamental free market principles:

Free market means MU would have only created the position if it could be justified in terms of IRR, would have competitively bid the job in the open market, assembled a pool of candidates, conducted fair, transparent interviews, judged each candidate on their merit and how each would advance the business against objective metrics and standards, offered a competitive wage and benefits package that met internal equities and commensurate with market rates, extended an offer on that basis alone.

In this case, MU broke every single one of these firmly eatablished free market tenets and did a Stalinist make up a job and pay whatever we feel like and give it to the family member.

This is free market capitalism - not how the Jack Harbaugh case went down at MU.

[tower912]

By those standards, the only truly free market jobs are civil service positions.    Those standards are not nearly as widespread in the public sector as you would like to believe.   

[avid1010]

No. Let me reiterate certain fundamental free market principles:

Free market means MU would have only created the position if it could be justified in terms of IRR, would have competitively bid the job in the open market, assembled a pool of candidates, conducted fair, transparent interviews, judged each candidate on their merit and how each would advance the business against objective metrics and standards, offered a competitive wage and benefits package that met internal equities and commensurate with market rates, extended an offer on that basis alone.

In this case, MU broke every single one of these firmly eatablished free market tenets and did a Stalinist make up a job and pay whatever we feel like and give it to the family member.

This is free market capitalism - not how the Jack Harbaugh case went down at MU.

I get that the hiring process was questionable.  What I don't get is how you think a job shouldn't have been created (not that it even was) to keep a prized employee content based on free market principles.  Seems kind of Stalinist of you to dictate what MU's job creation and hiring process should be.  Your thoughts are what you believe the free market should create, it sounds good on paper, much like communism.  In this case, the free market played out, and just because you don't like the outcome doesn't mean you can deny it took place in a relative free market.

[avid1010]

By those standards, the only truly free market jobs are civil service positions.    Those standards are not nearly as widespread in the public sector as you would like to believe.   

Nor should they be.

[warthog-driver]

private sector equals the corporate world. Public sector would be the civil service