New topic frezy - checking in on Pitt fans

[dwaderoy2004]

having a lot of assists does not make you any less of a ball hog.  if you demand the ball in your hands for 90% of the game, you will inherently generate gaudy statisitics.  iverson is currently 11th in the nba in assists at 7.3 per game.  is this because he is an extremely unselfish player, or simply a product of dominating the ball.  i would vote the latter.  i understand your desire to defend your players - heck, a lot of opposing teams and fans hated travis diener, but i will defend him to the death - but i don't believe i am incorrect in my assessment of brandin knight.

[UPitt89]

having a lot of assists does not make you any less of a ball hog.  if you demand the ball in your hands for 90% of the game, you will inherently generate gaudy statisitics.  iverson is currently 11th in the nba in assists at 7.3 per game.  is this because he is an extremely unselfish player, or simply a product of dominating the ball.  i would vote the latter.  i understand your desire to defend your players - heck, a lot of opposing teams and fans hated travis diener, but i will defend him to the death - but i don't believe i am incorrect in my assessment of brandin knight.

Brandin Knight simply did not play the game the way you describe.  His senior year, he was third on the team in shots attempted, despite being first in minutes.  Brandin was a classic distributor of the ball.

I think you saw Krauser so many times that you think some of them were actually Knight instead.

You're simply wrong in your assessment of Knight.

Krauser dominated the basketball, and demanded it most of the time.  Knight simply played a completely different game than that.

I'm not defending Brandin for the sake of defending him.... He had SEVERAL shortcomings... the main one being he was an awful shooter - both at the line and beyond the arc.  His dribble penetration mostly ended with a dish to Zavackas or Lett or Brown.   Krauser's dribble penetration mostly ended with a shot, or an offensive foul.

I'm guessing you saw Knight play once or twice... hard to generalize about a 120+ game career based on that.

You're simply wrong.

[dwaderoy2004]

i guess i'll just have to take your word on those stats since you don't say where you got them from.  I , however, will defer to this stat sheet from the end of the 2001-2002 season:

http://pittsburghpanthers.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2001-2002/teamcume.html#TEAM.TEM

according to this, mr. knight attempted an astounding 117 shots more than the closest player on the team!  That is nearly 25% of the shots taken by the team.  i will state that he added a little more than 7 assists a contest, but again, this is merely a product of him dominating the ball.  and i've seen him play enough to know his game...

[UPitt89]

i guess i'll just have to take your word on those stats since you don't say where you got them from.  I , however, will defer to this stat sheet from the end of the 2001-2002 season:

http://pittsburghpanthers.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2001-2002/teamcume.html#TEAM.TEM

according to this, mr. knight attempted an astounding 117 shots more than the closest player on the team!  That is nearly 25% of the shots taken by the team.  i will state that he added a little more than 7 assists a contest, but again, this is merely a product of him dominating the ball.  and i've seen him play enough to know his game...

I will agree that his Junior year, he dominated the ball more...  he was also named Big East player of the year.  His shots were actually dropping that year.

His senior year (2002-03), he was much less dominating with the ball.  His shooting was horrendous.

But as someone who has seen boht Kinght and Krauser play every single game of their careers, I really think that if you want to compare someone to Iverson... the player is Krauser, not Knight.  Especially Knight's senior season.

Not to change the subject completely... but the reason Pitt fans are so high on Levance Fields is that he combines the best of Knight (protecting the ball, using his teammates) with the best of Krauser (bulldog attitude, better dribble-drive, better shooter).... without the WORST of Knight (horrible shooting) and the WORST of Krauser (ball domination, turnovers, trash-talking).

We look at Levance, and see a better-mannered version of Khalid el-Amin... and that excites the hell out of a lot of us long-time Pitt hoops fans.