Tipping

[The Sultan]

The monthly payment on a 500000 mortgage at 6.9% is 3300 and that is putting nothing down on a median priced home. You are telling me that a family earning 160k cannot afford a median priced home and have nothing left over is delusional.

Also the majority of households at the 97k median income are most likely not single earner households. So, an 80k teacher making less than 20% of all other jobs is inaccurate, it's based on household income, not jobs.

It seems to me that if there are teacher shortages in New Jersey, and by the looks of it there are, then the current compensation levels aren't sufficient. Simple supply and demand. 

[Lennys Tap]

So a profession that requires a college degree and specialized training is being paid ~20% less than the median income of all other jobs, and your argument is that they are "certainly not under paid"?

That's delusional.

And based on the numbers posted, a family of 2 teachers could barely afford the median home ($160k salary vs $152k needed). And if they have to have 2 full time workers, the cost of child care etc. would quickly price them out of even those homes.

Posts like yours highlight how out of touch with reality many people are.

Forgetful

Didn't he say that the median HOUSEHOLD income was just under 100k? For most that includes 2 incomes. 80x2 = 160,000, well over 97,000.

[BM1090]

Forgetful

Didn't he say that the median HOUSEHOLD income was just under 100k? For most that includes 2 incomes. 80x2 = 160,000, well over 97,000.

I'm not saying you're wrong because I truly have no idea, but why do you think "most" includes 2 incomes.

Anecdotal, but in the 27-37 age range, I know far more people living alone than with a partner or roommate.

EDIT: I see in 2023 the census numbers showed 30% of US households were single occupants. That makes teaching a tough career choice. Because they are underpaid given their education level.

[wadesworld]

I don't know how anyone could argue teachers aren't underpaid.  But there are a lot of things I don't know how people could argue and they do!

[Lennys Tap]

I don't know how anyone could argue teachers aren't underpaid.  But there are a lot of things I don't know how people could argue and they do!

It's a career of choice. Compensation is based on laws of supply and demand, though they get a little more in areas where the union is strong.

[MU82]

For some reason, teachers have become the enemy to some people.

It's all the CRT they teach.

[forgetful]

Forgetful

Didn't he say that the median HOUSEHOLD income was just under 100k? For most that includes 2 incomes. 80x2 = 160,000, well over 97,000.

He did say HOUSEHOLD income, I just missed it even though it was bolded. So that is on me.

That said, the average income of a teacher in New Jersey is only 14% higher than the national average, but the cost of the average home is 44% higher, which still means they are comparatively underpaid.

[Hards Alumni]

It's a career of choice. Compensation is based on laws of supply and demand, though they get a little more in areas where the union is strong.

There has been a teacher shortage for as long as I can remember, and yet teachers are still underpaid. 

[Uncle Rico]

There has been a teacher shortage for as long as I can remember, and yet teachers are still underpaid. 

School districts can probably eliminate history and science teachers to help alleviate that shortage

[MU82]

School districts can probably eliminate history and science teachers to help alleviate that shortage

sciense R stoopid

historee blah blah blah

[muwarrior69]

He did say HOUSEHOLD income, I just missed it even though it was bolded. So that is on me.

That said, the average income of a teacher in New Jersey is only 14% higher than the national average, but the cost of the average home is 44% higher, which still means they are comparatively underpaid.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/chicago-tribune-rips-outlandish-teachers-union-demanding-higher-pay-should-embarrassed?dicbo=v2-NVkzeKV

95K and they're under paid.

[The Sultan]

Not sure what this has to do with New Jersey...

[muwarrior69]

He did say HOUSEHOLD income, I just missed it even though it was bolded. So that is on me.

That said, the average income of a teacher in New Jersey is only 14% higher than the national average, but the cost of the average home is 44% higher, which still means they are comparatively underpaid.

The average salary in New Jersey as of November 2024 is $28.38 an hour or $59,022 per year. The median household income for the state of New Jersey is $101,133. The highest median household income is $123,089 for householders in the age group of 45 to 64 years old.

School teachers are compensated very well here in New Jersey compared to everyone else.

[muwarrior69]

Not sure what this has to do with New Jersey...

More to do with teachers being under paid.

[The Sultan]

More to do with teachers being under paid.

You realize that teachers can be either underpaid or overpaid right? That circumstances are different based on cost of living, supply and demand, etc.

[muwarrior69]

You realize that teachers can be either underpaid or overpaid right? That circumstances are different based on cost of living, supply and demand, etc.

...but the assumption by Hards was that though teachers may be under paid he would not necessarily tip them but give them a small gift.

I never said all teachers were well compensated which is why I asked which state does he live in.

[JWags85]

Brandon Johnson is a doofus and a puppet who is way over his head.  The CTU and CPS are a clusterf*** that represent everything wrong and convoluted about the issues with public schooling in the US and cities.

That being said, that not even remotely representative of the entire Midwest, much less the entire country, and shouldn't be extrapolated to greater discussions about teacher pay, teacher performance, school funding, etc...

[warriorchick]

You realize that teachers can be either underpaid or overpaid right? That circumstances are different based on cost of living, supply and demand, etc.

Also the competency of the particular teacher.

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

Yeah, I can do the math and see that it's a small difference, but you're missing the point of why it's insane.  The amount we choose to tip for food and drink is up to all of us.  $15%, 20%, or 25%, whatever we feel is appropriate for the service provided.  No problem with that, but being dishonest with your customers in order to drive up that amount is, in my opinion, bad practice.  Why not just be honest and set up your system to tell me the true amount of 20% ON FOOD AND DRINK and not lie to me?  Why do you think this thread even started?  People are tired of the small, but when added together, substantive manipulations, and the expectation to provide a tip for, in the case of tipping on THE TAX applied to your food and drink, absolutely nothing.  If I want to give the server and extra $1.60 that's okay, but don't just reach into my pocket and take it from me. 

The majority of the time that I get suggested tip amounts on a bill, it is calculated pre-tax. My practice is to tip on the full amount. Since COVID, I've raised my floor on tipping from 18% to 20%. I can't comment on tipping professionals because I don't employ any.

[warriorchick]

The majority of the time that I get suggested tip amounts on a bill, it is calculated pre-tax. My practice is to tip on the full amount. Since COVID, I've raised my floor on tipping from 18% to 20%. I can't comment on tipping professionals because I don't employ any.

I am sold old that I remember when the rule for tipping was to triple the tax.

Of course, that was back when sales tax was 5% and the standard tip was 15%,

[forgetful]

https://www.foxnews.com/media/chicago-tribune-rips-outlandish-teachers-union-demanding-higher-pay-should-embarrassed?dicbo=v2-NVkzeKV

95K and they're under paid.

There is a massive teacher shortage in CPS, so according to supply and demand, they are grossly underpaid.

Or, do you think that teacher salary shouldn't be governed by supply and demand?