Marquette Retiring Jim Chones Jersey

[The Sultan]

Are you in a NCAA tourney drought when you refuse an invitation?

Ah. Of course. That slipped my mind.

So they practically were not in a drought. Jim Chones "transformed" Marquette from a program that turned down an NCAA invite and won the NIT, to one that lost in the NCAA tournament.

[Lennys Tap]

Ah. Of course. That slipped my mind.

So they practically were not in a drought. Jim Chones "transformed" Marquette from a program that turned down an NCAA invite and won the NIT, to one that lost in the NCAA tournament.

We had already been transformed into a consistent top 10 team. Jimmy transformed us into a team that was #1 or #2 team - somewhere Marquette had never been before and very, very rarely been since. So yes, he was transformative.

[The Sultan]

Huh. We were a top ten team with Markus Howard too, but was told that was meaningless because we didn't win anything.   

[Lennys Tap]

Huh. We were a top ten team with Markus Howard too, but was told that was meaningless because we didn't win anything.   

Markus played here what? 85 weeks? How many of those were spent in the top 10? In year 1 BC (before Chones) we won the NIT and FINISHED the season #6. The prior year we made the Elite 8 and were a Rick Mount 25' overtime jump shot from the FF. We were established asa program. Chones took us to the next level.

[The Sultan]

Markus played here what? 85 weeks? How many of those were spent in the top 10? In year 1 BC (before Chones) we won the NIT and FINISHED the season #6. The prior year we made the Elite 8 and were a Rick Mount 25' overtime jump shot from the FF. We were established asa program. Chones took us to the next level.

I was winking for a reason.

[Lennys Tap]

I was winking for a reason.

Sorry, I don't do emojis - my old eyes can't tell one from another!

[4everwarriors]

#22 would have been the consensus #1 pick in the draft. #0 barely made a roster. But hey, its not his fault that he stood 5'9", hey?

[Galway Eagle]

#22 would have been the consensus #1 pick in the draft. #0 barely made a roster. But hey, its not his fault that he stood 5'9", hey?

Larue Martin outscored and outrebounded him in the head to head. I'm guessing Chones becomes another name that is drafted behind one of the worst top picks in NBA history.

[Lennys Tap]

Larue Martin outscored and outrebounded him in the head to head. I'm guessing Chones becomes another name that is drafted behind one of the worst top picks in NBA history.

One night later Martin outscored and out rebounded Bill Walton. Safe to say he didn't turn out better than either. Chones wasn't drafted until the 2nd round because he had already signed with the ABA. He very likely goes #1 ahead of Martin otherwise.

[BCHoopster]

Al played small for his first few years, then Chones, MCNeil, Lucas , Ellis and Whitehead, MU was like Duke now, except UCLA who was better then both programs due to Alcindor and Walton

[Galway Eagle]

Al played small for his first few years, then Chones, MCNeil, Lucas , Ellis and Whitehead, MU was like Duke now, except UCLA who was better then both programs due to Alcindor and Walton

This is some major rewriting of history and math ain't mathing here. You're saying UCLA's whole era was due to two players, neither of which could play as freshmen, but UCLA went to the Final four in 62, 74 and 76 and were Champions in 64, 65, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 75

I guess Hazzard, Goodrich, Wilkes, Wicks etc didn't do squat.

[BCHoopster]

This is some major rewriting of history and math ain't mathing here. You're saying UCLA's whole era was due to two players, neither of which could play as freshmen, but UCLA went to the Final four in 62, 74 and 76 and were Champions in 64, 65, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 75

I guess Hazzard, Goodrich, Wilkes, Wicks etc didn't do squat.

Yes they had more than those two, but that was enough in this discussion

[brewcity77]

#22 would have been the consensus #1 pick in the draft. #0 barely made a roster. But hey, its not his fault that he stood 5'9", hey?

He was the 6th pick in the ABA draft. Not trying to demean Chones at all, but why would he have been the #1 pick in the NBA draft when three guys selected ahead of him in the ABA were top-8 picks in that NBA Draft? (Honestly don't know, just seems unlikely he'd vault all of them)

[wiscwarrior]

He was the 6th pick in the ABA draft. Not trying to demean Chones at all, but why would he have been the #1 pick in the NBA draft when three guys selected ahead of him in the ABA were top-8 picks in that NBA Draft? (Honestly don't know, just seems unlikely he'd vault all of them)

Could it be contract related? Did he sign an ABA contract before the season ending NBA draft and the others didn't?

[The Sultan]

My guess is that the ABA draft included a lot of guesswork on whether or not players would even be interested in signing. Of the top ten in that draft, only Chones and Dr. J went on to play in the ABA. Chones left early while Dr. J played out the rest of the season.

[Gato78]

My guess is that the ABA draft included a lot of guesswork on whether or not players would even be interested in signing. Of the top ten in that draft, only Chones and Dr. J went on to play in the ABA. Chones left early while Dr. J played out the rest of the season.

No guess work with Chones. They made him sign before the draft.

[The Sultan]

No guess work with Chones. They made him sign before the draft.

OK, I didn't get the entire timeline until I looked it up. That was an interesting time to say the least.

https://www.nytimes.com/1972/02/19/archives/marquette-star-quits-team-in-junior-year-nets-sign-chones-for.html

Regardless, they have him listed as pick #6 on a couple of sites even though that's not entirely accurate.

[MU82]

He was the 6th pick in the ABA draft. Not trying to demean Chones at all, but why would he have been the #1 pick in the NBA draft when three guys selected ahead of him in the ABA were top-8 picks in that NBA Draft? (Honestly don't know, just seems unlikely he'd vault all of them)

Averaging 20 and 10 during the tourney while leading Marquette to the title would have vaulted him to #1.

[Lennys Tap]

He was the 6th pick in the ABA draft. Not trying to demean Chones at all, but why would he have been the #1 pick in the NBA draft when three guys selected ahead of him in the ABA were top-8 picks in that NBA Draft? (Honestly don't know, just seems unlikely he'd vault all of them)

Technically the 6th pick, but not really. The league needed a solid presence in New York and star players - so when New York went to the league and told them "If we can sign Chones now (pre draft) is it OK?" League said OK, it'll cost you your 1st round pick.

[Nukem2]

Technically the 6th pick, but not really. The league needed a solid presence in New York and star players - so when New York went to the league and told them "If we can sign Chones now (pre draft) is it OK?" League said OK, it'll cost you your 1st round pick.

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