Two Marquette Students Die in Auto Crash

[The Sultan]

Yeah.... its totally not strange at all they originally charged the lady, months before bringing charges against the 2nd driver. But only weeks before 1st driver gets acquitted.

After the acceleration data was released.

American justice system strives on punishment and conviction rates. It's a joke in the world.

Very odd take. People were killed and you just want to absolve the people primarily responsible.

[#UnleashThePortal]

After the acceleration data was released.


Very odd take. People were killed and you just want to absolve the people primarily responsible.

 

The brainwash is strong.

[The Sultan]

The brainwash is strong.

Yeah it's SOOOO strange that I think people who cause someone's death should be charged with a crime.

Yet you haven't stated any reason why you think otherwise.

[Pakuni]

The brainwash is strong.

Really trying to understand your beef here.
The evidence, at least what's been disclosed publicly, shows the driver of the Jeep was committing a criminal act, and that act was a partial, if not primary, cause of a crash that led to the deaths of two people.
Why exactly would he not be charged?

[The Sultan]

Really trying to understand your beef here.
The evidence, at least what's been disclosed publicly, shows the driver of the Jeep was committing a criminal act, and that act was a partial, if not primary, cause of a crash that led to the deaths of two people.
Why exactly would he not be charged?

Don't expect a logical response...if you get any at all. He can't really articulate anything that won't sound ridiculous

[#UnleashThePortal]

Really trying to understand your beef here.
The evidence, at least what's been disclosed publicly, shows the driver of the Jeep was committing a criminal act, and that act was a partial, if not primary, cause of a crash that led to the deaths of two people.
Why exactly would he not be charged?

Lol. Thats the exact American justice that needs to stop.

First, we blame the drunk lady. Which is completely fair. However, they take her to court on trumped up charges, and when it became clear they were going to lose, they went after the 2nd driver charging him with homicide.

Now are you actually okay with someone having homicide charges because he was the driver in an accident that got two of his friends killed? Because of a half second decision he made? One which im sure 90% of this board has made before.

Is your thirst for punishment and retribution truly that high?

And to those who've already said "BuT hE'Ll GeT a PlEa DeAl"

Plea deals are another awful tool in the American justice system. Guaranteed convictions rates in exchange for lowering a crazy high sentence? Anyone with anything to lose takes those deals.

Other justice systems do exist other then common law.

[#UnleashThePortal]

Yeah it's SOOOO strange that I think people who cause someone's death should be charged with a crime.

Yet you haven't stated any reason why you think otherwise.

Very basic boomer logic.

Shocking from the pearl clutcher. The world will be better off when yall are in the homes.

[wadesworld]

Lol. Thats the exact American justice that needs to stop.

First, we blame the drunk lady. Which is completely fair. However, they take her to court on trumped up charges, and when it became clear they were going to lose, they went after the 2nd driver charging him with homicide.

Now are you actually okay with someone having homicide charges because he was the driver in an accident that got two of his friends killed? Because of a half second decision he made? One which im sure 90% of this board has made before.

Is your thirst for punishment and retribution truly that high?

And to those who've already said "BuT hE'Ll GeT a PlEa DeAl"

Plea deals are another awful tool in the American justice system. Guaranteed convictions rates in exchange for lowering a crazy high sentence? Anyone with anything to lose takes those deals.

Other justice systems do exist other then common law.

I can say with a good amount of confidence that I've never put my accelerator to the floor to make a light at 23 mph over the speed limit. Actions have consequences. This guy's actions resulted in the death of two people. And it could've been more.

They didn't bring charges to the driver of the Jeep because they "trumped up charges" on the woman and then thought they'd lose. They brought charges because more evidence became available.

When there's a fatal accident and one of the drivers is drunk and high, you're probably going to see charges given to that driver. It then became evident as the investigation went on that the other driver was much more responsible for the deaths.

Good for the justice system working and rightfully coming to the correct verdict in this trial (although I don't know where things stand with the DUI?).

[Uncle Rico]

Lol. Thats the exact American justice that needs to stop.

First, we blame the drunk lady. Which is completely fair. However, they take her to court on trumped up charges, and when it became clear they were going to lose, they went after the 2nd driver charging him with homicide.

Now are you actually okay with someone having homicide charges because he was the driver in an accident that got two of his friends killed? Because of a half second decision he made? One which im sure 90% of this board has made before.

Is your thirst for punishment and retribution truly that high?

And to those who've already said "BuT hE'Ll GeT a PlEa DeAl"

Plea deals are another awful tool in the American justice system. Guaranteed convictions rates in exchange for lowering a crazy high sentence? Anyone with anything to lose takes those deals.

Other justice systems do exist other then common law.

Just because someone made a bad decision that could have gotten someone killed and didn't doesn't make it ok for someone else to do the same thing

[Pakuni]

Lol. Thats the exact American justice that needs to stop.

First, we blame the drunk lady. Which is completely fair. However, they take her to court on trumped up charges, and when it became clear they were going to lose, they went after the 2nd driver charging him with homicide.

Now are you actually okay with someone having homicide charges because he was the driver in an accident that got two of his friends killed? Because of a half second decision he made? One which im sure 90% of this board has made before.

Is your thirst for punishment and retribution truly that high?

And to those who've already said "BuT hE'Ll GeT a PlEa DeAl"

Plea deals are another awful tool in the American justice system. Guaranteed convictions rates in exchange for lowering a crazy high sentence? Anyone with anything to lose takes those deals.

Other justice systems do exist other then common law.

This didn't really answer my question.
Why were the charges against Brunner "trumped up?"

The legal definition of homicide is death caused by another person. In this case, the charge is "homicide by negligent operation of a vehicle." I'm not sure where your confusion comes from. Driving 20+ mph over the limit through a changing light signal is evidence of negligence. Two people dying as a result is evidence of homicide.

Perhaps the problem here is you don't know the difference between the terms "homicide" and "murder?" They're not synonyms.
Murder is an intentional unlawful killing. Nobody is charged with that here. The charge alleges negligence, not intent.

The criminal justice system would simply be unmanageable - and about 1,000X more expensive - without the ability to plea bargain. Milwaukee County averages about 47,000 criminal case filings a year. That would require about 128 trials a day, including weekends and holidays. Nobody would work because we'd all be on jury duty.

"One which im sure 90% of this board has made before."

So because some people get away with bad behavior ... everyone should get away with bad behavior?

[The Sultan]

Very basic boomer logic.

Shocking from the pearl clutcher. The world will be better off when yall are in the homes.

Not a Boomer.

And if you think I'm a "pearl clutcher" because I think people should be charged when they caused the death of another individual, then...well...I guess that's what I am.

But I can't prevent you from being pretty f*cking dumb.

[The Sultan]

Now are you actually okay with someone having homicide charges because he was the driver in an accident that got two of his friends killed? Because of a half second decision he made?

Uh.... Yes and yes. I think the answers to those questions are pretty easy.

Should mitigating factors be at play when it comes to punishment? Absolutely. But homicide charges in this case are completely justified and hardly "trumped up." His actions lead to the death of another individual.

[#UnleashThePortal]

Not a Boomer.

And if you think I'm a "pearl clutcher" because I think people should be charged when they caused the death of another individual, then...well...I guess that's what I am.

But I can't prevent you from being pretty f*cking dumb.

1000% are a boomer.

I hope you eventually find people that tolerate you in real life. That post rates nuts.

[#UnleashThePortal]

I can say with a good amount of confidence that I've never put my accelerator to the floor to make a light at 23 mph over the speed limit. Actions have consequences. This guy's actions resulted in the death of two people. And it could've been more.

They didn't bring charges to the driver of the Jeep because they "trumped up charges" on the woman and then thought they'd lose. They brought charges because more evidence became available.

You've absolutely put the accelerator to the floor in order to make a light. Speedometers lie on speed all the time. The slower you are, and the further in the throttle you go, the more that speedometer jumps. It's based on wheel speed, not actual speed. Watch what happens when you drive in the snow, or you accelerate hard from zero. That number is absolutely not accurate.

This evidence was available from the start. It doesn't take months to decode information spit out by the OBD. The charges were brought on driver #2 because the sure fire win the DA thought was on #1 was proven to be wrong.

Then they attempt to bring big big charges in order for #2 to take a plea deal. This happens all the time, it's just against a marquette student now. The dude lives the rest of his life knowing a split second decision to go/stop ended two of his friends lives.

But yall NEED to see someone punished. Because thats what American common law told you. Theres no further justice here. All that comes from this is more pain. But punishment >>>>> Rehabilitation. Thats the american way! Our justice system is #1.

[The Sultan]

1000% are a boomer.

I hope you eventually find people that tolerate you in real life. That post rates nuts.

<ignores subject again>

Honestly, I have no idea why you are even posting in this topic. You've been trounced so badly at this point, it's largely turned into a mercy killing.

[wadesworld]

You've absolutely put the accelerator to the floor in order to make a light. Speedometers lie on speed all the time. The slower you are, and the further in the throttle you go, the more that speedometer jumps. It's based on wheel speed, not actual speed. Watch what happens when you drive in the snow, or you accelerate hard from zero. That number is absolutely not accurate.

This evidence was available from the start. It doesn't take months to decode information spit out by the OBD. The charges were brought on driver #2 because the sure fire win the DA thought was on #1 was proven to be wrong.

Then they attempt to bring big big charges in order for #2 to take a plea deal. This happens all the time, it's just against a marquette student now. The dude lives the rest of his life knowing a split second decision to go/stop ended two of his friends lives.

But yall NEED to see someone punished. Because thats what American common law told you. Theres no further justice here. All that comes from this is more pain. But punishment >>>>> Rehabilitation. Thats the american way! Our justice system is #1.

Cars speed up plenty fast without putting the pedal to the floor. I can't remember the last time I pushed the pedal more than like 80% of the way. There's really never a need to truly "floor it."

So what's the correct outcome here in your mind? The person who wasn't responsible for the crash goes to jail? Nobody faces punishmen?

Split second decisions that result in people dying should result in punishment. This wasn't a car driving responsibly but something out of its control caused it to crash. This was a driver deciding to drive recklessly and people died.

[The Sultan]

You've absolutely put the accelerator to the floor in order to make a light. Speedometers lie on speed all the time. The slower you are, and the further in the throttle you go, the more that speedometer jumps. It's based on wheel speed, not actual speed. Watch what happens when you drive in the snow, or you accelerate hard from zero. That number is absolutely not accurate.

LOL....you should share this with the defense attorney. I'm sure it will be given the seriousness it deserves.

[#UnleashThePortal]

<ignores subject again>

Honestly, I have no idea why you are even posting in this topic. You've been trounced so badly at this point, it's largely turned into a mercy killing.

Nm

[The Sultan]

Man, someone should really do that to you honestly. The literal definition of a toxic personality.

LOL. I think this qualifies as a white flag.

[#UnleashThePortal]

LOL. I think this qualifies as a white flag.

See it however you want bud!

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

You've absolutely put the accelerator to the floor in order to make a light. Speedometers lie on speed all the time. The slower you are, and the further in the throttle you go, the more that speedometer jumps. It's based on wheel speed, not actual speed. Watch what happens when you drive in the snow, or you accelerate hard from zero. That number is absolutely not accurate.

[Shaka Shart]

Gonna need the figures on each car's torque before I know how to make a point only I understand.