Transgender kids competing in sports

[MU82]

Happy to say that North Carolina won't join the list of mean-spirited, discriminatory, fearmongering states that are passing laws forbidding transgender kids from competing in interscholastic sports. NC's Republican leadership backed off several proposed pieces of legislation, saying it would have been dealing with a problem that doesn't exist.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article251034409.html?

Lawmakers decided not to move forward with a controversial bill that would prevent transgender girls from playing on female sports teams.

House Speaker Tim Moore confirmed to The News & Observer Thursday that House Bill 358, also known as the Save Womens’ Sports Act, is dead after legislative staff found that there had been no complaints in North Carolina on this topic.

“A wise legislature does not go out looking for social issues to tap,” Moore said.

The Associated Press first reported the sports bill had been set aside. Had it passed, North Carolina would have followed the lead of several states that have passed similar bills, drawing national media coverage and a response from the NCAA.

Moore’s announcement comes one week after Senate leader Phil Berger’s staff confirmed that another bill opposed by LGBTQ advocates would not move forward in his chamber.

Senate Bill 514 would have prevented transgender people under 21 from getting gender-affirming health care and forced teachers to tell parents and guardians about students who did not conform to the gender assigned to them at birth, potentially outing them.

Berger said that there was no path forward for the bill in the Senate.

The timing of lawmakers backing off hot-button legislation on LGBTQ rights raised some eyebrows on Monday when Moore, Berger and Gov. Roy Cooper announced outside the governor’s downtown Raleigh mansion that Apple planned to build its East Coast campus in Raleigh and invest $1 billion into North Carolina’s economy.

Moore and Berger both fielded questions about whether Apple’s announcement led North Carolina’s top government officials to throw out the legislation.

Moore said Thursday that he “promised” it had nothing to do with the technology company coming to the state.

In March 2016, North Carolina lawmakers passed House Bill 2, which blocked localities from protecting LGBTQ people from discrimination and forced transgender men to use women’s restrooms, and vice versa.

The bill is said to have cost North Carolina nearly $4 billion after businesses and entertainers stopped doing business in the state, according to one estimate.

[Lighthouse 84]

How is this not politics? C'mon man!

[Hards Alumni]

How is this not politics? C'mon man!

Agreed, it won't go anywhere productive.

[BrewCity83]

IBTL

[ZiggysFryBoy]

Nads gotta nads.

[Jay Bee]

Ban dis guy

[Johnny B]

everything is "politics". let it go if its civil. honest and prespectful discusion leads to.progress typucally

[naginiF]

everything is "politics". let it go if its civil. honest and prespectful discusion leads to.progress typucally

I was going to stay away fro this thread but I think you're spot on.

For me it comes down to this guy, which I'm sure you've all seen:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srNzK6jbdJo

We happen to be friends with this family, their kids go to the same private christian school ours do*, and their two daughters are in the same classes as my two sons. The kids don't care that she's trans, they just know her as name redacted. It's only when adults get involved that there is an issue.

Also, they are probably the most marginalized sub segment of our society.....why go after them more? I don't see how these laws do any help but the harm is clear.


*BTW the school has been unbelievable in their support for name redacted, as a cynical atheist I've been awed by them.

[StillAWarrior]

everything is "politics". let it go if its civil. honest and prespectful discusion leads to.progress typucally

Was the first sentence respectful? Did it seem designed to help lead to an honest and respectful discussion?

[MU82]

I was going to stay away fro this thread but I think you're spot on.

For me it comes down to this guy, which I'm sure you've all seen:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srNzK6jbdJo

We happen to be friends with this family, their kids go to the same private christian school ours do*, and their two daughters are in the same classes as my two sons. The kids don't care that she's trans, they just know her as name redacted. It's only when adults get involved that there is an issue.

Also, they are probably the most marginalized sub segment of our society.....why go after them more? I don't see how these laws do any help but the harm is clear.


*BTW the school has been unbelievable in their support for name redacted, as a cynical atheist I've been awed by them.

Thanks for an outstanding post.

[Johnny B]

Was the first sentence respectful? Did it seem designed to help lead to an honest and respectful discussion?

its thiught provoking

[Lennys Tap]

its thiught provoking

No, it’s political trolling.

[Lighthouse 84]

No, it’s political trolling.

Agreed. It’s a no politics zone, but some don’t feel rules apply to them.

[Billy Hoyle]

Participation in youth sports is where I draw the line. I listen to science (biology and physiology) https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2020/11/06/bjsports-2020-102329

Summary The 15–31% athletic advantage that transwomen displayed over their female counterparts prior to starting gender affirming hormones declined with feminising therapy. However, transwomen still had a 9% faster mean run speed after the 1 year period of testosterone suppression that is recommended by World Athletics for inclusion in women’s events.

And results:
https://www.aol.com/news/transgender-weightlifter-smashes-womens-world-163416496.html

https://ctmirror.org/2019/07/22/transgender-issues-polarizes-womens-advocates-a-conundrum/ (15 state championships for these two trans athletes).

[rocky_warrior]

I'll throw in my $0.02.  The topic "Transgender kids competing in sports" is not inherently political, so I hadn't clicked on this thread.  Nobody had reported it.  I just randomly clicked on it now (I don't click on many superbar topics)

MU82 certainly started it out with a political jab.   Not necessary.

I do however believe "Transgender kids competing in sports" should be a topic someone tries without the politics. 

[mu_hilltopper]

Do you remember that time we banned MU82 from starting any threads that weren't about basketball?