Back to Apathy?

[Billy Hoyle]

Yeah, that sucked. I wish you hadn't reminded me!

Sorry! I was in Alaska, I was in St. Louis, and all places in between with MU that season.  Excellent season, great memories, but a tourney run would have made it better.

[vogue65]

In a world of bad takes, this is probably your worst. You realize the only reason we talk about Al today is because of 1977, right? No one would care about Al if not for his walk-off title. He'd be just another character in the history books. Ultimately, the NCAA tournament is the only thing that really matters. The only reason I place so much import on conference titles is because they set you up for NCAA success.

Thanks.
To each his owne.
I'm enjoying every game, last night Wisconsin vs. Maryland was great.
Amazing what these kids can do.
Coaches are overrated, Monday morning quarterbacks even more so.

When a coach is undermined he is the victim.
The team wins or loses, the coach is only one part of it.
But he makes big bucks, he is more visible, he needs to be held accountable you say.
To each his owne.  I say show a little character, stick to your commitments, stand by the players  even if some of them don't stand by you.
There is more to showing class than showing power. 

[5DollarPitcher]

Thanks.
To each his owne.
I'm enjoying every game, last night Wisconsin vs. Maryland was great.
Amazing what these kids can do.
Coaches are overrated, Monday morning quarterbacks even more so.

When a coach is undermined he is the victim.
The team wins or loses, the coach is only one part of it.
But he makes big bucks, he is more visible, he needs to be held accountable you say.
To each his owne.  I say show a little character, stick to your commitments, stand by the players  even if some of them don't stand by you.
There is more to showing class than showing power.

A little bit too much bourbon in the coffee this morning?

[CTWarrior]

Consistent regular season success begets post season success. Not the other way around.

This.  Wojo's problem isn't lack of tournament success per se, it's that he hasn't had a team yet that you thought could make a run in the tournament when March rolled around.

[We R Final Four]

Do you mean own?

[vogue65]

Do you mean own?

Owne is an obsolete spelling of own.  I'm 77 and obsolete myself.
Thanks for bringing it to my attention, which is another matter.

[vogue65]

A little bit too much bourbon in the coffee this morning?

Haven't had a bourbon in 44 years, but that's another story.

[Markusquette]

This.  Wojo's problem isn't lack of tournament success per se, it's that he hasn't had a team yet that you thought could make a run in the tournament when March rolled around.

Which the whole point of that argument is that regular season success is mitigated when underachieving teams succeed in the postseason. Wojo hasn't done either one of them.

[jesmu84]

Which the whole point of that argument is that regular season success is mitigated when underachieving teams succeed in the postseason. Wojo hasn't done either one of them.

Flash-in-the-pan postseason success should NOT mitigate consistent regular season failure.

That was the point I was trying to make in my OP

[We R Final Four]

Owne is an obsolete spelling of own.  I'm 77 and obsolete myself.
Thanks for bringing it to my attention, which is another matter.

Crank up that old victrola...

[5DollarPitcher]

Flash-in-the-pan postseason success should NOT mitigate consistent regular season failure.

That was the point I was trying to make in my OP

But you hypothesized 2 Sweet Sixteen runs in Wojo's tenure thus far. He's completed 6 seasons. Remove the first season if we're all going to call that a rebuild year. He would've went to the Sweet Sixteen 40% of eligible seasons. That's not "flash in the pan" March success.

[MU82]

Wojo's problem isn't lack of tournament success per se, it's that he hasn't had a team yet that you thought could make a run in the tournament when March rolled around.

Not sprinting to Wojo's defense because I totally agree with you about the last two seasons, but I actually went into the 2016-17 postseason quite optimistic about our chances.

We finished winning 4 of our last 5 regular season games -- including 3 against NCAA tourney teams; the loss was on the road to a tourney-bound Providence team. We lost to Seton Hall in the BET, but they were an NCAA tourney team too and it was a close game. We had a team that had grown together nicely, with Markus and Sam emerging as very good freshmen, some good senior leadership, a good offense and balanced scoring. I thought that maybe we could be one of those 10-seeds that has a nice little tourney run, especially if we could have an extended run of hot-shooting (which certainly was not out of the question for that team).

We played South Carolina close for most of the game in Greenville but faded at the end when they hit every shot they took; they ended up making the Final Four. The future of MU basketball seemed extremely bright, with 3 more years of Markus and Sam, with a solid-looking class of role players coming in, with Joey probably on the way, etc.

I'm an optimist, and I tried to ramp up enthusiasm for the 2019 tournament, but our horrible finish, combined with having to play against Ja Morant, had me quite worried. Last season I wasn't brimming with confidence before the coronavirus put an end to it.

But 2016-17, I absolutely thought a run was possible.

[5DollarPitcher]

Not sprinting to Wojo's defense because I totally agree with you about the last two seasons, but I actually went into the 2016-17 postseason quite optimistic about our chances.

We finished winning 4 of our last 5 regular season games -- including 3 against NCAA tourney teams; the loss was on the road to a tourney-bound Providence team. We lost to Seton Hall in the BET, but they were an NCAA tourney team too and it was a close game. We had a team that had grown together nicely, with Markus and Sam emerging as very good freshmen, some good senior leadership, a good offense and balanced scoring. I thought that maybe we could be one of those 10-seeds that has a nice little tourney run, especially if we could have an extended run of hot-shooting (which certainly was not out of the question for that team).

We played South Carolina close for most of the game in Greenville but faded at the end when they hit every shot they took; they ended up making the Final Four. The future of MU basketball seemed extremely bright, with 3 more years of Markus and Sam, with a solid-looking class of role players coming in, with Joey probably on the way, etc.

I'm an optimist, and I tried to ramp up enthusiasm for the 2019 tournament, but our horrible finish, combined with having to play against Ja Morant, had me quite worried. Last season I wasn't brimming with confidence before the coronavirus put an end to it.

But 2016-17, I absolutely thought a run was possible.

I can see the banner now...

2016-2017
MU82 thought a run was possible

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I can see the banner now...

2016-2017
MU82 thought a run was possible

You know not every post has to be politicized into projo or nojo. Sometimes a post is just a post

[5DollarPitcher]

You know not every post has to be politicized into projo or nojo. Sometimes a post is just a post

Pretty sure you just politicized that post into Projo/Nojo. I never uttered the name of he who shall not be named.

I'm just adding facetious commentary on the pathetic lack of success in the last 7 or so years such that we need to be waxing poetic about seasons where we "though we might make a run maybe"... if that comes off Projo/Nojo to you then maybe there's something there.

[MU82]

I can see the banner now...

2016-2017
MU82 thought a run was possible

Yes, Wojo was born a bad coach, he has been a bad coach at Marquette, and he will die a bad coach. We all understand where you stand on the evil Wojo, the worst coach to walk the face of the earth since Naismith put up the first peach basket.

All of us will try to refrain from ever posting anything except what a horrible coach Wojo always has been and always will be. Even in, say, the college football or "what are you watching" threads.

Better?

[mileskishnish72]

Wojo to the Sweet Sixteen???

It would be nice if he could get within 16 of an NCAA tournament opponent!

[Golden Avalanche]

Wojo to the Sweet Sixteen???

It would be nice if he could get within 16 of an NCAA tournament opponent!

They beat Creighton and Wisconsin. Came within 16 of UCLA, Hall, and Xavier. 

Your put down was stupid. Be best.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

They beat Creighton and Wisconsin. Came within 16 of UCLA, Hall, and Xavier. 

Your put down was stupid. Be best.

I think he's referring to our literal ncaat opponents,  South Carolina and Murray State. I actually chuckled

[Golden Avalanche]

I think he's referring to our literal ncaat opponents,  South Carolina and Murray State. I actually chuckled

Ah. It gets confusing on here since I thought with the season currently happening people would concentrate their hate on that rather then the pointless macro bullshit. 

Be bester, I shall.