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Quote from: Galway Eagle on October 05, 2020, 08:42:11 AM
To be fair, the two years of Markus Joey had seen saw a team that excelled at sharing the ball with something like 6 double digit scorers. And a year where Rowsey managed 20ppg as did Markus while Sam managed 14ppg.

Possible Joey might've expected Sam to up his PPG with Rowsey not there and himself slide into Sam's sophomore role. Rather than Markus taking a ton of Rowsey's shots and usage.

That's a good argument.  But it isn't as if Sam and Joey weren't scoring when they played with Markus.  There was plenty of ball to go around.

The Sultan

I honestly think the problem was Joey just not being happy.  I think if Joey would have gone to MSU to start with, Sam would have finished out his career at Marquette.
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Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on October 05, 2020, 09:18:59 AM
I honestly think the problem was Joey just not being happy.  I think if Joey would have gone to MSU to start with, Sam would have finished out his career at Marquette.

Some truth to this. I think Sam saw his frustrations as being validated by Joey.

MUBurrow

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on October 05, 2020, 08:34:52 AM
That's fine, they don't have to.  But that is what they signed up for.  Joey KNEW when he came to Marquette that Markus was the team.  And there are a lot of people around here that seem to be ignoring the fact that Markus is one of the best shooters in NCAA history, and a FIRST TEAM ALL AMERICAN.  Markus deserved to see that ball in his hands every trip down the court.  What about Joey Hauser's game demonstrated that he should be an equal option? 

Markus is a once in a generation talent for our school, and I think a lot of folks around here don't give the man the respect he deserves.

I agree with most of this - particularly that Joey knew what he was walking into. But I also think that Markus's undeniable talent, combined with how he was used, was probably a hair better at filling the stat sheet than winning games.  And I am a bit sympathetic to how frustrating that would be to players like the Hausers.  It really sucks how their leaving undercut a team that was going to come into the season ranked in the top 10 and maybe the top 5. There is no denying Markus's talent. But I also find it hard to deny that everything about MU during his tenure was geared toward extracting every possible drop from that talent, possibly at the expense of the talent development and showcase of other players.

Frenns Liquor Depot

We played a system for the last two years where one player's usage was historically high.  The team's success wasn't historically high.  Other good players didn't want to play in that system. 

It's really not that shocking - particularly in today's college game.  It's just another item that has left the last few years as less than fulfilling on the court.

cheebs09

Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on October 05, 2020, 09:51:45 AM
We played a system for the last two years where one player's usage was historically high.  The team's success wasn't historically high.  Other good players didn't want to play in that system. 

It's really not that shocking - particularly in today's college game.  It's just another item that has left the last few years as less than fulfilling on the court.

I agree. I think there was a style of play that could have kept them happy. The ball movement in Sam's first two years was a thing of beauty at times. With Markus' scoring and efficiency, Wojo hitched the wagon to Markus.

I think it's as simple as they didn't want to spend the rest of their careers in that type of system. There may be an argument to be made that Wojo bet on the right horse based on Markus' efficiency. Especially because I think Joey was a bit shaky his freshman year other than some good 3 pt shooting at times.

I think the final straw was when Markus' efficiency dropped with injury, the style of play didn't change with it. So next year was likely more the same.

Hards Alumni

Quote from: cheebs09 on October 05, 2020, 12:08:12 PM
I agree. I think there was a style of play that could have kept them happy. The ball movement in Sam's first two years was a thing of beauty at times. With Markus' scoring and efficiency, Wojo hitched the wagon to Markus.

I think it's as simple as they didn't want to spend the rest of their careers in that type of system. There may be an argument to be made that Wojo bet on the right horse based on Markus' efficiency. Especially because I think Joey was a bit shaky his freshman year other than some good 3 pt shooting at times.

I think the final straw was when Markus' efficiency dropped with injury, the style of play didn't change with it. So next year was likely more the same.

It was a stupid decision regardless.  Made rashly.  Sam played with Markus for 3 years.  Markus also drew a ton of defensive looks that made Sam not a defensive priority.  Joey would have had to deal with one more year of the 'Markus show'... And then the team would have essentially been his.  Instead, he transferred to MSU and sat out a year.  So yeah, now he is at MSU where he also probably won't be the main attraction.  And Sam got a year older and hurt his draft chances (if he had any to begin with). 

So what was the point of all this?  Egos baby, gotta feed em.

The Lens

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on October 05, 2020, 12:57:23 PM
It was a stupid decision regardless.  Made rashly.  Sam played with Markus for 3 years.  Markus also drew a ton of defensive looks that made Sam not a defensive priority.  Joey would have had to deal with one more year of the 'Markus show'... And then the team would have essentially been his.  Instead, he transferred to MSU and sat out a year.  So yeah, now he is at MSU where he also probably won't be the main attraction.  And Sam got a year older and hurt his draft chances (if he had any to begin with). 

So what was the point of all this?  Egos baby, gotta feed em.

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So when this season is cancelled, do The  Brothers Hauser give their new schools a third year to play one? Otule would be proud. 

Pakuni

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on October 05, 2020, 04:48:19 PM
So when this season is cancelled, do The  Brothers Hauser give their new schools a third year to play one? Otule would be proud.

Sam would fit in on the BYU roster by then.

MU82

Sam could free transfer back to Marquette. No cancer Markus to NEVER pass him the ball.
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Dr. Blackheart

Quote from: MU82 on October 05, 2020, 10:13:39 PM
Sam could free transfer back to Marquette. No cancer Markus to NEVER pass him the ball.

Hopefully by then, Wojo recruits guys committed to play team defense.

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