Morrow and Joe C.

[tower912]

IMO, it is more important for Chartouny to get going than Morrow.    We have an abundance of forwards.      EM being bad all year gives more time to BB, JH, Theo, and Cain.      Right now, there is no other option than Chartouny.    If he becomes the player we thought he would be when he grad transferred, the team will be much better for it.     A big PG who plays defense, distributes the ball, hit the occasional jumper to keep the defense honest.   Which allows MH to play off of the ball.     That is the dream.    Right now, with GE out, it makes sense to bring JC off of the bench.    But getting him into the flow is vital going forward. 

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I am not ready to throw in the towel yet. I agree that he clearly has issues. If we get smoked in NYC then I will be concerned for the BE season, no matter how weak folks think the conference may be. I do not expect us to beat Kansas, but a respectable performance is important. If Kansas pounds us like IU did then I will wonder if this team has the ability to hang with high majors.

Kansas is going to pound a lot of teams this season. If we can hang with them, I will be encouraged about our prospects. If we get pounded, it doesn't change my expectations for the season, just keeps them from growing. Goal in NYC is to go 1-1. If we get pounded by Kansas but then turn around and pound Louisville, I think that is a solid outcome.

[tower912]

https://fordhamsports.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=8736

This is the guy MU needs to emerge. 

[bilsu]

Both Chartouney (Fordham 9-22) and Morrow (Nebraska 12-19) came from teams with losing records.

[tower912]

I mentioned that in August.

[94Warrior]

I agree with everything you said about Chartouney.  He absolutely needs to start and play big minutes.  The team can't start a road team against a good opponent by kicking the ball away on 3 of the first 4 possessions.
 Joe's on ball defense alone makes a big difference.  And, offensively he can set the table for others.  Howard is far better off the ball on both ends of the floor.  I am sorry but Markus is not a point guard, and Wojo, being one, should know that.

Morrow, I'll give him some more time.

I thought this thread would pick up steam after the Presbyterian game.  But, nothing????  If you don't have something negative to say, don't say anything at all, right?

In the 2nd half Chartouny was the guy we were all hoping for.  Won SOTG and made the team much better in the time he played. 
Morrow was very effective at times, as well.  If we begin to get those types of contributions on a regular basis, we can reach the lofty expectations many of had for this team.

Go Warriors!

[MUMonster03]

As Chartouny's shots started falling and his confidence began to come back you could almost see the monkey being lifted off of his back.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

Many people have said Chartouney did it in a losing team against bad competition.  I think that is lazy and over simplifying it.  One only needs to click on that link to see that he put up some really big numbers in the points, steals, assists, and rebound categories against some big time teams.  18 points at WVU, 14 at Florida State, 28 at Dayton, at Davidson etc etc.  kids gonna be a real keeper.  Start him n ride him wojo!!

[21Jumpstreet]

Coaching is not done on game day and I think Wojo understands that.  He also understands the capabilities of his players.  Now the team knows what playing at a very high level means.  The question is, are they capable of taking it up a few notches or can they be more deciplined and play within themselves and win?  Those are questions not knowable from sideline "motivational" rants.

I would add after listening to Wojo, that he understood what needed to be done against IU. He told the guys what needed to be done. He then added that they felt embarrassed and should be. I think Wojo understands what needs to be done, I don’t think Wojo understands how to get the guys ready to implement the game plan. Maybe it’s how he runs practice, maybe it’s expectations, maybe, maybe. We won’t know. What we do know is that he says what appears to be an effective strategy, but what’s proven out in a handful of big games is that our team often doesn’t hold to that plan. Unfortunately at this level there is less of the trust the process. At 12, yeah, develop and trust the process. At 20, it’s time to win regularly. Luckily, we have a long way to go this season, and I’m not throwing in the towel. Many big games left, they will most certainly improve over the course of the year.

[1SE]

In all likelihood this team goes as far as Chartouny can take them. I'm ready to live or die by his play - mainly because there just isn't any alternative. This is why I think he needs to be a 25-30 minute a night guy.

As much as we want Markus to be a PG, as much as Wojo wants him to be a PG, as much as HE wants to be a PG, he just isn't that. Until/if Elliot comes back, I think it is clear that there is no "next best" option for PG on this team - we might be able to scrape by with our combo-gaurds/point forwards for a few 4 minute stretches here and there, but for the most part the keys need to be squarely in Chartouny's hands.

[fjm]

In all likelihood this team goes as far as Chartouny can take them. I'm ready to live or die by his play - mainly because there just isn't any alternative. This is why I think he needs to be a 25-30 minute a night guy.

As much as we want Markus to be a PG, as much as Wojo wants him to be a PG, as much as HE wants to be a PG, he just isn't that. Until/if Elliot comes back, I think it is clear that there is no "next best" option for PG on this team - we might be able to scrape by with our combo-gaurds/point forwards for a few 4 minute stretches here and there, but for the most part the keys need to be squarely in Chartouny's hands.

This. JoeC needs to be starting

Joe C
Howard
Sam
Joey
Theo

To expand: I love sacars game. But JoeC and Sacar’s Defense is going to be interchangeable. We don’t need chart to score a ton. We need 4-6 points a game from him. To keep D’s honest.
This opens Howard and Sam up.

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

This whole comparison to Derrick Wilson or 4-6 points a game is ludicrous.  Do u guys think the baskets are larger or the 3 point line is closer at Fordham??!? The guy scored double digits and shot 35% from 3 last year.  And arguably took more forced shots than he will have to this year.  He may not shoot as much this year but i expect his shooting percentages to be higher as he is going to have better spacing and taking better shots. 
If he doesnt start against Kansas i fear Wojo just isnt the guy.

[BM1090]

This whole comparison to Derrick Wilson or 4-6 points a game is ludicrous.  Do u guys think the baskets are larger or the 3 point line is closer at Fordham??!? The guy scored double digits and shot 35% from 3 last year.  And arguably took more forced shots than he will have to this year.  He may not shoot as much this year but i expect his shooting percentages to be higher as he is going to have better spacing and taking better shots. 
If he doesnt start against Kansas i fear Wojo just isnt the guy.

He shot 28% from 3 last year. 38% the year before that.

[1SE]

He shot 28% from 3 last year. 38% the year before that.

As long as he's enough of a threat to keep defenses honest. Hopefully the tape of the last 11 minutes of the Presbyterian game forms part of the "Scout MU" package.

I like Sacar a lot, and I think he's made great strides. I like a "D" lineup that includes them both (and Theo). But MU's ceiling is much more dependent on Chartouny's ceiling than Sacar's.

[skianth16]

This whole comparison to Derrick Wilson or 4-6 points a game is ludicrous.  Do u guys think the baskets are larger or the 3 point line is closer at Fordham??!? The guy scored double digits and shot 35% from 3 last year.  And arguably took more forced shots than he will have to this year.  He may not shoot as much this year but i expect his shooting percentages to be higher as he is going to have better spacing and taking better shots. 
If he doesnt start against Kansas i fear Wojo just isnt the guy.

I agree with all of this. Chartouny can still be a pass first guy and be capable of scoring 10-12 points per game. If we don't see him getting 20-25 minutes for the remainder of the year, I'll be very surprised. He seems to have his feet wet now and has his confidence back. If this team gets back to scoring 80-90 points regularly, I can easily see him averaging 10 points in conference play. If he doesn't start against KU, Wojo will have some 'splainin to do.

[1SE]

I agree with all of this. Chartouny can still be a pass first guy and be capable of scoring 10-12 points per game. If we don't see him getting 20-25 minutes for the remainder of the year, I'll be very surprised. He seems to have his feet wet now and has his confidence back. If this team gets back to scoring 80-90 points regularly, I can easily see him averaging 10 points in conference play. If he doesn't start against KU, Wojo will have some 'splainin to do.

Which Scooper is Wojo incognito again?

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

He shot 28% from 3 last year. 38% the year before that.

Ok with the ball in his hands and the focal part of the other teams defense.  Point is he aint no derrick wilson and just in the presbyterian game, you know he is only going to take good shots.  Last year at firdham he took the bailout shots.  This year it will be sam or Markus.  38% his sophomore year indicates he can make a shot.
So as i have said all along comparing a guy that shot 38% from 3 to derrick wilson is just plain stupid and hoping a guy that scored 12 a game in a sliwdown offense can score 4-6 in a high powered offense is equally so.

[barfolomew]

I know KenPom numbers don't mean too much after only four games, but at this point last season we ranked 61st in TO%. This year we are 276th.

It starts with the PG, but goes for the whole damn team.
Take care of the basketball. The rest will come.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I know KenPom numbers don't mean too much after only four games, but at this point last season we ranked 61st in TO%. This year we are 276th.

It starts with the PG, but goes for the whole damn team.
Take care of the basketball. The rest will come.

Yes. This has been the most concerning thing IMHO. Gotta shore that up

[Mr. Sand-Knit]

It really boils down to Markus takes his atrociuos tos away n its not bad.  13 for him in the last two games alone

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

It really boils down to Markus takes his atrociuos tos away n its not bad.  13 for him in the last two games alone

True, though I hadn't noticed until I just looked it up now, our two big men have been really bad with the TOs as well. John has 11, 4 less than Markus, despite playing 54 less minutes than Markus. Morrow has 9 in only 37 minutes of work. That's a TO every 4 minutes! I know some of that has been offensive fouls and others have been shuffling feet under the bucket. Need to get those cleaned up as well.

Joe has also turned the ball over at a higher rate than Markus with 6 TOs in only 75 minutes. But I'm less worried there. He had one bad game with 4 in 19 minutes and was fine in that department in the other three games.

With Markus I'm just hoping that the Presbyterian game was an aberration. He got shocked in Indiana with 3 TOs in the first 90 seconds and then played the rest of the game with only 1. The first two games he was fine. Presbyterian was a trainwreck for him. What's interesting is that in that game I felt like he was really focused on passing the ball. He didn't attempt his first shot until 10 minutes in. Think this backs up the argument that he is at his best when he can play off the ball.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I went back and looked at the play by play for Markus to see what kind of turnovers Markus was giving up. 5 of them were steals by the Blue Hose, 3 of them by Davon Bell, that is ugly.

[Goose]

Theo John has to be fed the ball in the right space on the court. One thing I learned a long time ago, but from someone who knows, only give the ball to big guy if he is in position to succeed.

[brewcity77]

Theo John has to be fed the ball in the right space on the court. One thing I learned a long time ago, but from someone who knows, only give the ball to big guy if he is in position to succeed.

That always reminds me of Chris Otule, for whom that was especially important. I hated when guys tried to fire no-look passes into him. Dude had one eye, you need that pass to be precision and at the exact right point, not some flashy thing that could easily be bundled out of bounds.