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Quote from: Its DJOver on February 28, 2018, 10:26:48 AM
People don't watch just because of the 1 and 1, but it does make games more exciting, which causes more people to watch.  There's no way to quantify how much of an effect it has so it all come down to opinion.  Personally, I'm a fan of the 1 and 1.


Back in the day, when you were in a bonus situation in the NBA, you got 3 attempts to make 2 free throws on a shooting foul, and 2 attempts to make 1 with an "and one."  They got rid of those because there were too many free throws.

I do understand what Mr. Nielson is saying though.  With the advent of the double bonus, there are only three occasions per half where the one and one comes into play - non-shooting fouls that are the 7th, 8th and 9th fouls of the half. 

So why even have it at all?

muwarrior69

Quote from: brewcity77 on February 28, 2018, 09:12:42 AM
I love the move to a 20-second shot clock in offensive rebound situations. I'd say the same should go for defensive non-shooting fouls and any other resets where the ball starts anywhere from half-court on up. That's more than enough time to reset once you're in the offensive half and helps prevent teams like Wisconsin from bleeding 60-90 seconds on offensive possessions. It will encourage more offensive play and free flow of play.

I assume the ball still must make contact with the rim to reset the clock; not recovering the ball that just makes contact with the back board.

GGGG

Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 28, 2018, 10:52:55 AM
I assume the ball still must make contact with the rim to reset the clock; not recovering the ball that just makes contact with the back board.


Yeah.  Just like now.  It would simply reset to 20 instead of 30.

Its DJOver

Quote from: #bansultan on February 28, 2018, 10:41:25 AM

Back in the day, when you were in a bonus situation in the NBA, you got 3 attempts to make 2 free throws on a shooting foul, and 2 attempts to make 1 with an "and one."  They got rid of those because there were too many free throws.

I do understand what Mr. Nielson is saying though.  With the advent of the double bonus, there are only three occasions per half where the one and one comes into play - non-shooting fouls that are the 7th, 8th and 9th fouls of the half. 

So why even have it at all?
Fair point.  That's why we have the NIT to test this kind of stuff.  Unless we're in it, I doubt I'll watch any NIT to see how it works, don't seeing it having a huge effect on outcomes.
Scoop motto:
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 06, 2025, 06:04:29 PMthe stats bear that out, but

oldwarrior81

Quote from: brewcity77 on February 28, 2018, 09:12:42 AM
I love the move to a 20-second shot clock in offensive rebound situations. I'd say the same should go for defensive non-shooting fouls and any other resets where the ball starts anywhere from half-court on up. That's more than enough time to reset once you're in the offensive half and helps prevent teams like Wisconsin from bleeding 60-90 seconds on offensive possessions. It will encourage more offensive play and free flow of play.

Didn't they change the rule this year to reset to 20 on non-shooting fouls in the front court, and on kicking violations?
The other night Georgetown had an inbounds under their basket with 14 on the shot clock.  Markus kicked the inbound pass and the clock was reset to 20 instead of 30.

Mr. Nielsen

Quote from: Its DJOver on February 28, 2018, 11:02:11 AM
That's why we have the NIT to test this kind of stuff.  Unless we're in it, I doubt I'll watch any NIT to see how it works, don't seeing it having a huge effect on outcomes.
I love the NIT! heck, I watch the CBI and CIT on CBSSN as well. I need college hoops to watch on Tuesday & Wednesday nights.  ;D
If we are all thinking alike, we're not thinking at all. It's OK to disagree. Just don't be disagreeable.
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Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on February 28, 2018, 11:23:11 AM
I love the NIT! heck, I watch the CBI and CIT on CBSSN as well. I need college hoops to watch on Tuesday & Wednesday nights.  ;D

No Vegas 16?
Retire Terry Rand's jersey!

MU82

Quote from: #bansultan on February 28, 2018, 10:41:25 AM

Back in the day, when you were in a bonus situation in the NBA, you got 3 attempts to make 2 free throws on a shooting foul, and 2 attempts to make 1 with an "and one."

The head coach of the HS team for which I am an assistant is 31 years old. I happened to mention this to him just the other day and he couldn't believe it. I had to google it and show it to him.

"So the best players in the world got an extra free throw when they missed, but high school players didn't? That's crazy talk!"
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Quote from: MU82 on February 28, 2018, 02:33:03 PM
The head coach of the HS team for which I am an assistant is 31 years old. I happened to mention this to him just the other day and he couldn't believe it. I had to google it and show it to him.

"So the best players in the world got an extra free throw when they missed, but high school players didn't? That's crazy talk!"

Until 1969, a basket after a missed free throw was only 1 point in the NBA, crazy!

Mr. Nielsen

Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on February 28, 2018, 02:08:10 PM
No Vegas 16?
They got rid of it after year one. One eight schools played.
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oldwarrior81

Quote from: Waldo Jeffers on February 28, 2018, 03:46:44 PM
Until 1969, a basket after a missed free throw was only 1 point in the NBA, crazy!

That was a bit insane.  The guy misses a free throw, a teammate tips it in, scores as one point and the shooter gets credit for a made FT.

GooooMarquette

Quote from: #bansultan on February 28, 2018, 10:41:25 AM

Back in the day, when you were in a bonus situation in the NBA, you got 3 attempts to make 2 free throws on a shooting foul, and 2 attempts to make 1 with an "and one."  They got rid of those because there were too many free throws.


I can still remember the Arena PA guy announcing that some player was at the line for "3 to make 2."  Crazy.

#UnleashSean

If yall think the 3 for 2 is weird, there was a time when a player who gets subbed out is disqualified from reentering the game, like baseball.

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