Remind me again why Bert didn't want Gasser and Dekker?

[ChicosBailBonds]

That's not correct. Carmody didn't even meet with Frank when he visited.

So NU didn't offer?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Chicago Tribune says Northwestern offered in this article......mystery


http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-04-03/sports/ct-frank-kaminsky-wisconsin-haugh-spt-0404-20140404_1_madison-street-dave-sobolewski-north-texas

[Dr. Blackheart]

Top assistant Tavaras Hardy (now at Georgetown) took Frank and Mary around campus and into Carmody's office. Via speaker phone, the head coach offered a scholarship.

He wanted Sobolewski so he offered Frank.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-frank-kaminsky-wisconsin-basketball-spt-0116-20150115-column.html#page=1

[ChicosBailBonds]

He wanted Sobolewski so he offered Frank.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-frank-kaminsky-wisconsin-basketball-spt-0116-20150115-column.html#page=1

Ahh, so he was offered....thanks

[Mutaman]

Don't think so, but I've never measured it.  Wife of 17 years seems happy. 

That's not what she tells me.

[Dr. Blackheart]

Ahh, so he was offered....thanks

Lol...on a speakerphone after not taking the time to meet him on campus.  Yeah he "offered"

[ChicosBailBonds]

//

Lol...on a speakerphone after not taking the time to meet him on campus.  Yeah he "offered"

I'm pretty sure the assistant coaches were pushing an offer as well, if you read some of the articles.

I'm just glad we put to rest the mystery....so 247 wasn't wrong, neither was the Chicago Tribune, or Frank's dad who confirmed that NU offered.  I was worried there was a lot of lying or misinformation going on there.  Good this was solved.   

[jesmu84]

it's such a dumb question, but since it's halftime i'll bite.

1.  you always defended people who ripped crean, and did so in a manner like you saw the big picture that no one else could.  if you want to live by that...then do the same for buzz.

2.  buzz did recruit dekker.  how much time did you want him to spend on dekker, when he only showed interest in UW.

3.  why doesn't every coach run the swing, then they could recruit players like UW.

4.  i didn't see a lack of talent at MU under buzz, and his success was solid.  you're not qualified to judge buzz by anything more than wins and losses .  

+1

Especially to #1

[MU82]

They weren't switchables....they were white....what was the reason again?



Edited to fix Gasser's spelling of his last name for JayBee.

Remind me again why you constantly bring up race and then slam others who bring up race?

[jesmu84]

Why are you making this post? did you ever start a thread calling into question creans coaching after-the-fact? I honestly don't know the answer to it, but I'm gueasing the answer would provide a lot of clarity.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Remind me again why you constantly bring up race and then slam others who bring up race?

Context is everything.  I slam people whn they say things like Hands Up, Don't shoot and lie since it never happened and then make it a thing that could have impacted a man's life by sending him to prison.

Context....context....context.   Buzz seemed to avoid certain type of kids, not sure why.  There are some similarities between them, perhaps just similarities. 

[Mutaman]

Context is everything.  I slam people whn they say things like Hands Up, Don't shoot and lie since it never happened and then make it a thing that could have impacted a man's life by sending him to prison.

Context....context....context.   Buzz seemed to avoid certain type of kids, not sure why.  There are some similarities between them, perhaps just similarities. 

Over 20,000 posts and I think we have a winner: the all time biggest load of gibberish.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Context is everything.  I slam people whn they say things like Hands Up, Don't shoot and lie since it never happened and then make it a thing that could have impacted a man's life by sending him to prison.

Context....context....context.   Buzz seemed to avoid certain type of kids, not sure why.  There are some similarities between them, perhaps just similarities.  

So you just brought up race again.....did Buzz Williams recruit based on the color of one's skin?  You are big on sources -- where is your source?

[MU82]

Context is everything.  I slam people whn they say things like Hands Up, Don't shoot and lie since it never happened and then make it a thing that could have impacted a man's life by sending him to prison.

Context....context....context.   Buzz seemed to avoid certain type of kids, not sure why.  There are some similarities between them, perhaps just similarities. 

The only necessary context is you are an agitator. You love arguing about pretty much anything, even if doing so often confirms you are a hypocrite. Congrats on being No. 1 at something.

[ChicosBailBonds]

it's such a dumb question, but since it's halftime i'll bite.

1.  you always defended people who ripped crean, and did so in a manner like you saw the big picture that no one else could.  if you want to live by that...then do the same for buzz.

2.  buzz did recruit dekker.  how much time did you want him to spend on dekker, when he only showed interest in UW.

3.  why doesn't every coach run the swing, then they could recruit players like UW.

4.  i didn't see a lack of talent at MU under buzz, and his success was solid.  you're not qualified to judge buzz by anything more than wins and losses .  

Au contraire, as the leader of the basketball program we are all qualified to judge him on more than wins and losses...on things like his players committing sexual assault, punching students in the face, getting people fired for NCAA violations, etc, etc.

Did Buzz recruit Dekker?  I'm asking....most people on this thread imply he didn't, but if you have different information I'd love to hear it.

Buzz had some very good talent, most of it from the JUCO ranks.  He rarely could get any from the high school ranks where you build stability and sustain success. 

[Lennys Tap]

They weren't switchables....they were white....what was the reason again?



Edited to fix Gasser's spelling of his last name for JayBee.

1. Decker was always going to UW - committed early

2. St. Bo didn't want Gasser either, dummy. He only took him when the guy he wanted (the guy who didn't want MU because of Crean) came to us because of Buzz.

But stay classy with the inaccurate and snarky comments. You're all about "facts". Spinning them to defend TC and making them up to rip Buzz. Disgusting but typical.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Why are you making this post? did you ever start a thread calling into question creans coaching after-the-fact? I honestly don't know the answer to it, but I'm gueasing the answer would provide a lot of clarity.

Yes, and some some blog posts on Cracked Sidewalks as well. 

I asked the question, or started the post because I have always felt you build a program with high school players, let kids go through the system, learn, get experience, go after solid basketball players with traditional fundamentals (can shoot, pass, shoot free throws, high BBall IQ, etc).  It's how I think a program should be built.  Quite frankly, since you brought up Crean, I think this is exactly why he hasn't done as well as he should at IU.  He goes after too many high flyers, not enough guys that will stick around.  You need both. 

There has been a ton of talent in this state for some time.  That doesn't mean top 25 talent, but very good, fundamentally strong, traditional basketball players.  We shy away from them like the plague.

It's one thing I like about Wojo and hope that he goes back to the basics in who he goes after.  Buzz didn't do it and it was one of many things I didn't care about his approach.

[4everwarriors]

Bumstead wasn't big on traditionals, ai na? Loved the old chip on shoulder deal or have a story thing to tell.

[brewcity77]

1. Decker was always going to UW - committed early

Committed early, yes. Always going to UW? No.

[ChicosBailBonds]

So you just brought up race again.....did Buzz Williams recruit based on the color of one's skin?  You are big on sources -- where is your source?

I don't think so, but there are some coaches that assume some players are more "athletic" based on certain traits.  I used to work for one at MU.  It's the same reason why people to this day say that UW is slow and methodical, when in fact they are one of the most explosive teams in college basketball.  I don't know why Buzz shyed away from kids that could shoot, play fundamental hoops..I never understood why he got rid of Scott Christopherson, who also fits that mold.  Just not the type of player he recruited out of high school for whatever reason.  You would have to ask him.

[brewcity77]

I don't think so, but there are some coaches that assume some players are more "athletic" based on certain traits.  I used to work for on at MU.  It's the same reason why people to this day say that UW is slow and methodical, when in fact they are one of the most explosive teams in college basketball.  I don't know why Buzz shyed away from kids that could shoot, play fundamental hoops..I never understood why he got rid of Scott Christopherson, who also fits that mold.  Just not the type of player he recruited out of high school for whatever reason.  You would have to ask him.

I have more issue with him trying to run off Acker and Cooby, then after having success with them, not realizing he needed that type of player. Instead we end up with guys like Junior and Derrick that were stoutly built but couldn't shoot instead of dynamic point guards like Dunn and Ulis.

[ChicosBailBonds]

The only necessary context is you are an agitator. You love arguing about pretty much anything, even if doing so often confirms you are a hypocrite. Congrats on being No. 1 at something.

Happy Easter.  Christ rises tomorrow.  I am thankful.