Poll: Thrown Overboard

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

What does any of this have to do with you continually referencing what you think was really going on with Buzz and the administration? If you believe you know, that's awesome and the first couple of times I didn't have an issue with it. Now you're like a little kid, who runs around telling everyone that you know a secret and they don't. These examples you give aren't not even remotely in the same stratosphere as your little "secrets" that you keep referring to. When I talk about Buzz, that is my opinion. When you refer to the real story, you aren't providing any facts and for all we know these could be just your opinion. I actually believe that you do know more than most of us, but to continually make vague statements is counterproductive. Keep them to yourself.

One last thing. I think there are lots of meaningful bits of information on Scoop. You just have to separate the BS to find the good nuggets of info.

Frankly WM, I don't know what to tell you. The examples I gave were to show that many counterproductive things that I don't agree with get posted on scoop all the time. I don't ask any of them to keep it to themselves. That's not what this site is about. If you want controlled communication, go to IWB's board.

I share what tidbits I can. I only share when some one is posting something that is completely off course. If you don't like that, put me on ignore.

[keefe]

IWB's board.

Isn't that where Brewcity now has his bully pulpit?

[ChicosBailBonds]

That's fair enough.  I get the whole can't reveal my sources bit.  How about this - as long as you CAN'T spill the beans, how about you just stop with the whole "There's more to come.  I know it.  You don't.  Too bad for you because I won't tell"?

Can't predict the future, no one can.  When I have made statements about the current or the past, then prom dates here get incredibly upset, even now when they are proven to be true.  So damned either way.

So, to your point you are correct....shouldn't say more to come because ultimately that means what comes out, which is a huge difference.  Pleased for friends at MU they don't have to put up the nonsense.  Look, he's a jaghole, he's gone and few tears were shed.  He had become a Macy's day parade float.  Surprising they didn't have to widen the entrance to the building to get the bumpkin head through the doors. 

Excited about Wojo. 

[Coleman]

Buzz's BS would at least be entertaining.

Crean is like an annoying little brother.

[Wojo'sMojo]

Frankly WM, I don't know what to tell you. The examples I gave were to show that many counterproductive things that I don't agree with get posted on scoop all the time. I don't ask any of them to keep it to themselves. That's not what this site is about. If you want controlled communication, go to IWB's board.

I share what tidbits I can. I only share when some one is posting something that is completely off course. If you don't like that, put me on ignore.

So saying something like "Buzz has more low points, trust me" is sharing tidbits? You try to give off the impression that you're this big insider, who knows everything that happens at MU. You don't share tidbits, you make vague statements and pretend you know what really happened. I could really care less if you know or not, just say what you want to say and quit doing this little dance all the time.

[keefe]

Buzz's BS would at least be entertaining.

Crean is like an annoying little brother.

On the contrary! Tanned Tommy's shenanigans were cringe-inducing when he was our problem but now that he is IIII's horse collar I find his antics highly entertaining!

His performance at Crisler was a Shakespeare comedy, Greek Tragedy, David Lean epic, and Woody Allen zeitgeist all rolled into one delicious enchilada! Bon Appétit!  

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

So saying something like "Buzz has more low points, trust me" is sharing tidbits? You try to give off the impression that you're this big insider, who knows everything that happens at MU. You don't share tidbits, you make vague statements and pretend you know what really happened. I could really care less if you know or not, just say what you want to say and quit doing this little dance all the time.

So you don't care...but you want me to stop doing this little dance?

[Wojo'sMojo]

So you don't care...but you want me to stop doing this little dance?

That's your main takeaway from that? Lol, I'm done with you "Mr Insider" have a great day 

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

That's your main takeaway from that? Lol, I'm done with you "Mr Insider" have a great day 

It was just a question. You told me you couldn't care less but then gave me a direct order to stop. I just wanted to make sure I understood lest I misunderstand your directions 

[ChicosBailBonds]

Please refeference your posts from 3 years ago where you said Buzz was a prima donna. Then try 2 years ago. Then 1 year ago. I can certainly find posts from 3 years ago, 2 years ago, etc., when you were saying how much you liked the guy, but I don't recall you calling him a prima donna or a pumpkin head until very recently. I call total BS.

As to your "more to come" I'm confident nothing will come from you other than attempts to piggy back others. You've got what the little boy shot at - nothin'.

Oh gosh, "total BS", not just partial.  Cool.

Starting back as early as Nov 21, 2009  "Crean is an ahole, he's gone, but he did good things.  Buzz seems like a nice guy (though there are some out there that have called him an a-hole already also) so who really knows.  Very few coaches in my years in the business have not been difficult, ego driven, etc, etc....we'll see if he is the exception to the rule.".    I was already hearing some of the crap.

Or this one, also in 2009:  "And as I stated earlier, there are some saying that Buzz is a complete dick and pretty boy in real life as well....we'll see if that's true or just sour grapes, but that's come up now on at least three boards.  The newsflash is that most of these coaches are not the nicest people in the world....Mike Sciosia is the one exception as the head man in all my years (and John Wooden, but I never worked with him) in the industry. Lots of assistant coaches are great, but when you become the head man, it changes people, it really does."

Yes, I said he appeared to be a nice guy.  Lenny, I'm sure you understand there is a public persona coaches, athletes, celebrities have and then there is their everyday persona.  I know you know this.  Anyone that has to work for Knight and Crean in their lifetime, as I have, can tell you that is the case.  Doesn't make those people evil, it makes them difficult to work for, but they can come across as a saint in public.

And you're so right, I haven't spoken about Buzz's schtick for the last 5 years.  

What else you got?  Adjust Fenwick Score?

[leever]

What else you got?  Adjust Fenwick Score?

Is Fenwick Score Herb Score's brother and why does he need an adjustment?  Bad back?

[willie warrior]

The exact opposite of what the poll shows. Thanks, Willie.

Just ahead of the curve, Lenny. Buzz is a bozo. And polls mean squat.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Honestly, I might chuck Buzz overboard.

I guess I like him better, but I dunno if I could listen to him tell me a 30min. answer every time I ask a simple question like: "Do you think it's going to rain?"

Crean's answer will be cliches, but at least it will be shorter.

PLUS: Crean doesn't wear sunscreen, and Buzz would steal it all to keep his head from burning.

[ChicosBailBonds]

The other part of the equation is to ask yourself from those that did bring some of the stuff Buzz was going back in the day, how he was acting, was he a jag, etc...how were those posters treated here?

They were drowned out, told they weren't fans, etc.  Several of them, it appears, left completely.  Basically the majority didn't want to hear it, so they took it out on anyone that dared to say anything.  Quash the comments.  Eventually when the cleansing was done, no one is going to say much anymore after it, until it ends up like the Newbill story or on the front page of the Tribune and it cannot be ignored.  Or after he leaves the stories come out from the last few months and years and the cleansers, sans a few, aren't willing to cleanse any longer because they can't.

[tower912]

Yes, chicos, we know.  You and your 19k posts are persecuted.

[Coleman]

The other part of the equation is to ask yourself from those that did bring some of the stuff Buzz was going back in the day, how he was acting, was he a jag, etc...how were those posters treated here?

They were drowned out, told they weren't fans, etc.  Several of them, it appears, left completely.  Basically the majority didn't want to hear it, so they took it out on anyone that dared to say anything.  Quash the comments.  Eventually when the cleansing was done, no one is going to say much anymore after it, until it ends up like the Newbill story or on the front page of the Tribune and it cannot be ignored.  Or after he leaves the stories come out from the last few months and years and the cleansers, sans a few, aren't willing to cleanse any longer because they can't.

LOL.

Oh no, the humanity! How the persecuted of Scoop suffer! Fear not Chicos, the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the Church.

[Lennys Tap]

Oh gosh, "total BS", not just partial.  Cool.

Starting back as early as Nov 21, 2009  "Crean is an ahole, he's gone, but he did good things.  Buzz seems like a nice guy (though there are some out there that have called him an a-hole already also) so who really knows.  Very few coaches in my years in the business have not been difficult, ego driven, etc, etc....we'll see if he is the exception to the rule.".    I was already hearing some of the crap.

Or this one, also in 2009:  "And as I stated earlier, there are some saying that Buzz is a complete dick and pretty boy in real life as well....we'll see if that's true or just sour grapes, but that's come up now on at least three boards.  The newsflash is that most of these coaches are not the nicest people in the world....Mike Sciosia is the one exception as the head man in all my years (and John Wooden, but I never worked with him) in the industry. Lots of assistant coaches are great, but when you become the head man, it changes people, it really does."

Yes, I said he appeared to be a nice guy.  Lenny, I'm sure you understand there is a public persona coaches, athletes, celebrities have and then there is their everyday persona.  I know you know this.  Anyone that has to work for Knight and Crean in their lifetime, as I have, can tell you that is the case.  Doesn't make those people evil, it makes them difficult to work for, but they can come across as a saint in public.

And you're so right, I haven't spoken about Buzz's schtick for the last 5 years.  

What else you got?  

You (and everyone else) might want to go back and read your complete remarks in that thread to get the context. First, November, 2009 is not a few (or 2 or 1) years ago, it's 4.5. More importantly, the people you referenced then were not people's you knew in the athletic department, they were anonymous posters from other school's message boards. So, again, complete utter BS that will remain as such unless you can show the board where YOU called Buzz a prima donna or a pumpkin head or you said your "sources" (LOL) in the athletic department called him that in the last few years (or ever).

I did enjoy rereading that thread, though. Here's a quote from you in the same post you referenced:

"Fact is, he's (Crean) the second best coach (based on results) at MU in our history. That's just fact. I applaud him for his efforts and he moved on."

Well, he's now the 3rd best coach (based on results) at MU in our history. That's just fact. Buzz is now #2, and like Crean he's moved on.

For 6+ years you've applauded and defended the guy who you claim you thought was a douche like one would applaud and defend his own father.

In the same stretch, you've ripped and second guessed the guy who you claimed you liked so much, even as his accomplishments surpassed the douche's

Oh, the irony. Oh, the hypocrisy. Oh, the BS.

That's all I got, for now. What else you got?