Steve Taylor, Jr.

[keefe]

I think it is pure bullsh$t that your God can play a game in Vegas against New Mexico with Dawson's family in attendance, and your God Williams relegates the guy to picking splinters out of his ass.

I watched the game and the bench chairs were plastic

[MU82]

Sorry, I have never advocated anything about John dawson. You must be mistaking me for somebody else--which still makes you clueless. Not interested in getting on the Board of Directors because that is reserved for MU Grads who have married an MU girl. You can get on the Board with your illustrious credentials and give Buzz a life time contract. He deserves it and I will even make a contribution for you.

Come to think about it, I do advocate something about John Dawson. I think it is pure bullsh$t that your God can play a game in Vegas against New Mexico with Dawson's family in attendance, and your God Williams relegates the guy to picking splinters out of his ass. That is classless, and I would say it for any player that Buzz did that to--not only Dawson. Buzz hosed the kid. Put that in your credentials and smoke it. There are plenty of Buzzo decisions that warrant criticism other than that one. Only too many people keep giving him a pass.

Having said that, Merry Christmas, and I too am a fan, win or lose.

I have no basketball gods. Basketball is a game to play or watch or, in my case, coach. I get great joy out of it. I want the team I coach and my alma mater's team to succeed, but I try not to drive myself and others too crazy when things don't quite go as hoped.

I think Buzz is an excellent coach who sometimes makes mistakes, as we all do, and I hope he stays at Marquette for a long, long time. You are far more critical of Buzz; I can't quite tell if you think he should be fired but you definitely think we could do better than the guy who has led us to two Sweet Sixteens and an Elite Eight in the last three seasons. I have observed that you seem joyless when it comes to Marquette basketball but you say that is not the case.

We seem to have covered everything in this realm so, at this point, I will agree to disagree with you and will stop contributing to this conversation between us.

Wishing you a Merry Christmas, willie, and a New Year filled with joy.

[tower912]

Willie is to Buzz as PRN was to Crean.    An early hater. 

[MuMark]

But the question is why?

All Buzz has done is make the NCAA tournament all 5 years he has been our coach....won at least 1 game in the tournament every season but 1 and made it to 2 sweet 16s and an Elite 8. He has developed 6 NBA players(not one of them were considered to be of that level when they were recruited) and finished 2nd and first in the old Big East the last 2 seasons.

What in the world does he have to do to earn the support of some people?

I mean seriously....

Willie is to Buzz as PRN was to Crean.    An early hater. 

[Lennys Tap]

He has developed 6 NBA players(not one of them were considered to be of that level when they were recruited)

Be prepared to be accused of calling those guys talentless hacks. And of giving Buzz credit that should go to Tom Crean or their high school or JC coach.

[willie warrior]

Willie is to Buzz as PRN was to Crean.    An early hater. 

Yup. Typical. When somebody doesn't agree with another, then the "hater" comes out, without a clue. We see that all the time nowadays. I would submit that after "mother#@%er", "Hater" is the most overused descriptive adjective in the English language. I would also submit that those that jump to the "Hater" description are less than tolerant and more closed minded than most others.

Happy New Year. And go Warriors!

[Hards Alumni]

Yup. Typical. When somebody doesn't agree with another, then the "hater" comes out, without a clue. We see that all the time nowadays. I would submit that after "mother#@%er", "Hater" is the most overused descriptive adjective in the English language. I would also submit that those that jump to the "Hater" description are less than tolerant and more closed minded than most others.

Happy New Year. And go Warriors!

Willie, the problem is that you don't ever really say much positive about Buzz.  That is why you are getting labelled a 'hater'.

[Lennys Tap]

Yup. Typical. When somebody doesn't agree with another, then the "hater" comes out, without a clue. We see that all the time nowadays. I would submit that after "mother#@%er", "Hater" is the most overused descriptive adjective in the English language. I would also submit that those that jump to the "Hater" description are less than tolerant and more closed minded than most others.

Happy New Year. And go Warriors!

First of all, "mother#@%er" and "hater" are nouns, not descriptive adjectives, but since I never had you pegged as an English major, no big deal.

Secondly, and more to the point, the reason you're labeled a hater isn't because you disagree with people or that those calling you out are intolerant. It's that in spite of the fact that the basketball program is in the best shape it's been in for decades and employs the second most successful coach in its history, virtually all of your posts are negative. You love the Warriors. I, and probably nearly everyone here, accept that. I just think that subjecting those you love to almost constant verbal abuse is an ineffective way to show it.

[tower912]

Willie, if you don't describe yourself as a hater, please explain how you WOULD explain yourself in regards to Buzz.    According to you, he can't recruit, doesn't play the right combinations, and is a drag on the program.   How is that not the description of someone who hates the coach?  
Own it.   PRN did.   After another vitriolic rant against the coach, when someone calls your vitriolic rant a vitriolic rant, don't immediately pull the weak, obviously fake "quit calling me names because I don't agree with you" card.   Own it. 

[GGGG]

Not to mention the *constant* playing of the victim card.

[willie warrior]

Willie, if you don't describe yourself as a hater, please explain how you WOULD explain yourself in regards to Buzz.    According to you, he can't recruit, doesn't play the right combinations, and is a drag on the program.   How is that not the description of someone who hates the coach?  
Own it.   PRN did.   After another vitriolic rant against the coach, when someone calls your vitriolic rant a vitriolic rant, don't immediately pull the weak, obviously fake "quit calling me names because I don't agree with you" card.   Own it. 

You own it, pard, because I have never said he cannot recruit, nor have I said he is a drag on the program. Those are your words, along with hater, so YOU OWN IT.

Reading is fundamental. If you have read my posts in the past, I have said on a number of occasions that Buzz is a good recruiter and an above average recruiter. I have also said that he has an inability to recruit a quality big out of high school. By that I mean a fairly highly regarded Big. I have said a few times that his player selection does not make sense. Your leaping to criticism means you are a hater fits right in with the PC crowd of today. If I didn't know better, I might suspect that you are a teacher in the PS system.

[willie warrior]

First of all, "mother#@%er" and "hater" are nouns, not descriptive adjectives, but since I never had you pegged as an English major, no big deal.

Secondly, and more to the point, the reason you're labeled a hater isn't because you disagree with people or that those calling you out are intolerant. It's that in spite of the fact that the basketball program is in the best shape it's been in for decades and employs the second most successful coach in its history, virtually all of your posts are negative. You love the Warriors. I, and probably nearly everyone here, accept that. I just think that subjecting those you love to almost constant verbal abuse is an ineffective way to show it.

Thank you for that correction of noun. Mother$#@$# has been used as a noun, adjective with ing, an exclamation and so on. You go ahead and interpret the rest of my posts any way you want, but hater reminds of the PC crowd, so if that is your mantra, go for it.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

motherf*cker and other variations can be used in any grammar context.

[MU82]

motherf*cker and other variations can be used in any grammar context.

This thread has progressed nicely.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

This thread has progressed nicely.

Fine.

Steve Taylor is a bad-assed motherf*cker.
Steve Taylor with a motherf*ckin jam.
Should Steve Taylor play more?  Motherf*ckinlutely.

[keefe]

Fine.

Steve Taylor is a bad-assed motherf*cker.
Steve Taylor with a motherf*ckin jam.
Should Steve Taylor play more?  Motherf*ckinlutely.

The baddest Mofo of them all - Mofo Jones



That term always reminds me of Oliver Lee. It was his favorite word, bar none. He used it at least once in every sentence he ever uttered at Marquette. He and Worthen were roommates and shared a love of snow.

O Lee was a top 5 recruit out of Deland, FL. He is Doc Gooden's uncle. I have to wonder how great he could have been were it not for his love of controlled substances. He had one of purest shots of anyone to ever play at Marquette. Man could we use him on this year's team.

People may have forgotten but we routinely signed the cream of the high school crop. Back in the day Marquette was an elite program. I recall watching White Shadow while at MU and one of the players asked the coach what colleges were expressing interest. The coach replied, "All the best...UCLA, Marquette, Indiana..."  

Bloody hell, but Denny Crum was chomping at the bit to replace Al. Oh, but what could have been.

[GGGG]

I think this is even more fundamental.  

Clearly Taylor was medically cleared prior to the IUPUI game as evidenced by the fact he was available to for Buzz to use in the game.  I cannot even fathom a situation in which Buzz could insert a player not medically cleared. So the fact that he was available is evidence that he was medically cleared.

And if he was medically cleared, then by definition the medical staff did not deem his injury to be incapacitating and season-ending.  

So its not that the NCAA would have found out that Buzz nearly sent Taylor into the game.  Its that the medical records that would need to support any medical redshirt aren't consistent with a season ending injury, and actualy say the exact opposite--he WAS cleared to play.

It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out in the Kevin Ware situation.  Just today they announced that he is going to seek a medical redshirt.  I believe that he was dressed to play v. Kentucky, but wasn't used by Louisville.


Nevermind...he wasn't dressed.

[The Equalizer]

It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out in the Kevin Ware situation.  Just today they announced that he is going to seek a medical redshirt.  I believe that he was dressed to play v. Kentucky, but wasn't used by Louisville. 

So the question becomes...if he was on the bench, he must have been medically cleared.  If he was cleared, then the injury wasn't "incapacitating."

My guess is that he gets to use the redshirt.  And that your scenario isn't always as logical and as black and white as you think it is.

The key difference here is that Ware suffered a new injury:

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10215391/kevin-ware-louisville-cardinals-redshirt-chane-behanan-dismissed

"Ware suffered an injury to his right leg earlier in the month. It's the same leg he broke back in March when he landed awkwardly against Duke in the Elite Eight."

"Ware had surgery and missed much of the preseason. He made his return on Nov. 15 against Cornell, played nine games before sitting out the last two after being kicked in his right leg in a victory against Missouri State."

Meanwhile, we don't know if he was medically cleared to play or not. There's a difference between being dressed and actually cleared to play.  Pitino didn't even try to put him in a game.

[GGGG]

LOL.

For the second time in as many days, I edited my post as you were posting your reply.

He wasn't dressed for the Kentucky game so my guess is that he wasn't cleared making my post irrelevant.  But it was an injury related to his initial leg break...a set back.  Similar situation that Taylor is facing.

[The Equalizer]

Be prepared to be accused of calling those guys talentless hacks.

Once again, I'm amused at how insulted you are at this comment when your intent all along was to set as low a bar as possible for them in HS so you could falsely claim Buzz developed them from that point.

Frankly, I'm surprised you haven't embraced the comment so you could claim Buzz turned talentless hacks into NBA players instead of merely "sub 500 HS guys."   I mean, that's a bigger accomplishment, don't you think?

It's not true--they were JUCO AAs before setting foot on MU's campus.   But it would be a bigger and better false claim.

Or maybe you'd rather we go back and give Buzz credit for turning two guys who couldn't even dribble into NBA players.  Its true.  I'm sure at one point in their lives, neither Jae nor Jimmy had even picked up a basketball, no less dribbled.

Or two guys who had never set foot on a basketball court into NBA players.  Again, absolutely true using your logic.

Or two guys who couldn't even walk into NBA players.  Again, true--at one point they couldn't walk.

Or maybe this--He turned two guys who couldn't even feed themselves into NBA players.  

Or how about this--he turned two guys who weren't even conceived into NBA players.

How about this:  When talking about what credit Buzz deserves, we set the baseline at the level the players were immedeately before arriving on MU's campus.  That way, we refer to Jimmy and Jae as JUCO AAs, not merely as guys who are "one-" or "two years removed from HS."

[Lennys Tap]

Once again, I'm amused at how insulted you are at this comment when your intent all along was to set as low a bar as possible for them in HS so you could falsely claim Buzz developed them from that point.

Frankly, I'm surprised you haven't embraced the comment so you could claim Buzz turned talentless hacks into NBA players instead of merely "sub 500 HS guys."   I mean, that's a bigger accomplishment, don't you think?

It's not true--they were JUCO AAs before setting foot on MU's campus.   But it would be a bigger and better false claim.

Or maybe you'd rather we go back and give Buzz credit for turning two guys who couldn't even dribble into NBA players.  Its true.  I'm sure at one point in their lives, neither Jae nor Jimmy had even picked up a basketball, no less dribbled.

Or two guys who had never set foot on a basketball court into NBA players.  Again, absolutely true using your logic.

Or two guys who couldn't even walk into NBA players.  Again, true--at one point they couldn't walk.

Or maybe this--He turned two guys who couldn't even feed themselves into NBA players.  

Or how about this--he turned two guys who weren't even conceived into NBA players.

How about this:  When talking about what credit Buzz deserves, we set the baseline at the level the players were immedeately before arriving on MU's campus.  That way, we refer to Jimmy and Jae as JUCO AAs, not merely as guys who are "one-" or "two years removed from HS."

How about we set your baseline at where you were "immedeately" before you penned this: second grade.