[Paint Touches] JUCO transfers come full-circle for Buzz

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A lot of guys that don't qualify fit that bill and go to a JUCO to break into the college scene at a different academic level.  Nothing wrong with it.  I'd like to see an updated study of kids that went to JUCOs that were qualified to go to a 4 year vs those that went to a JUCO that weren't qualified and see how the did in terms of graduation, grades, etc.  There was a study like this many years ago when I was in college athletics, but I don't know if such a follow-up has been done.   There was a pretty distinct difference between the two groups, as you might imagine.

Let me explain my position a little further.  I have no doubt that it is harder for non-qualifying Jucos to graduate from their four year school.  And when you are a school like Marquette that doesn't accept PE credits, it becomes even more difficult.  They simply don't have enough time.

Three year Jucos, while also *likely* to be a little more advanced academically, have three years in which to graduate.

We have seen this at MU with all the three year Jucos graduating (or close enough to march), and all of the two year Jucos not graduating.

My problem with your statement is that the reasons that the two year's didn't graduate had nothing to do with not being "ready, mature (and) primed to excel in the classroom and on the court."  In fact, both Jae and Dwight seemed to be model citizens in pretty much every sense.  They simply didn't have the time.

[Silkk the Shaka]

Let me explain my position a little further.  I have no doubt that it is harder for non-qualifying Jucos to graduate from their four year school.  And when you are a school like Marquette that doesn't accept PE credits, it becomes even more difficult.  They simply don't have enough time.

Three year Jucos, while also *likely* to be a little more advanced academically, have three years in which to graduate.

We have seen this at MU with all the three year Jucos graduating (or close enough to march), and all of the two year Jucos not graduating.

My problem with your statement is that the reasons that the two year's didn't graduate had nothing to do with not being "ready, mature (and) primed to excel in the classroom and on the court."  In fact, both Jae and Dwight seemed to be model citizens in pretty much every sense.  They simply didn't have the time.

Nuance and context are difficult for some to comprehend.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Let me explain my position a little further.  I have no doubt that it is harder for non-qualifying Jucos to graduate from their four year school.  And when you are a school like Marquette that doesn't accept PE credits, it becomes even more difficult.  They simply don't have enough time.

Three year Jucos, while also *likely* to be a little more advanced academically, have three years in which to graduate.

We have seen this at MU with all the three year Jucos graduating (or close enough to march), and all of the two year Jucos not graduating.

My problem with your statement is that the reasons that the two year's didn't graduate had nothing to do with not being "ready, mature (and) primed to excel in the classroom and on the court."  In fact, both Jae and Dwight seemed to be model citizens in pretty much every sense.  They simply didn't have the time.

Agree with most of your statement until you get to the last paragraph.  When you say it has NOTHING to do with being ready, I don't concur.  Some of these kids flat out aren't ready which is why they were in the position they were to begin with.  Of course, this doesn't mean all, nor was that said.  We're talking high level generalities here and of course there are going to be examples illustrating all outcomes.  I'm talking what the studies show, or better yet what the academic advisors will tell you.  Let's put it this way, they knew they had a much tougher job going in with some kids vs others based solely on the path they were on.  Sometimes they were pleasantly surprised, often it was a very tough grind.  I get the time comment, totally get it and agree with it.  I'm talking about maturity level, ability to cope, ability to get down to business, prioritize, etc.  Again, high level generalities, there are exceptions, of course.

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Chicos, you are yet again distorting what I say to make your own dumb argument.

That paragraph speaks *specifically* to the two year Jucos that Buzz has brought in.  Jae and Dwight were fantastic representatives of this program...and Jameel looks like he will be the third.  So, while your cute little theory might be applicable in general, it certainly isn't applicable here.

So again, the next time you want to get on your soapbox, please do not do it with my posts.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Define bunch & define major.

I have not heard one donor have issues.  But I have heard plenty with issues with Pilarz and his at best indifference to basketball.

Lens, I'm guessing most of who you hear about are basketball friendly donors.  Not everyone is.  Not everyone was pleased with 2 years ago, and yes...a bunch...voiced their displeasure as a result.  That is what I am talking about.  When I say donors, I'm talking about Marquette University donors....the bigger picture, the one that makes Marquette basketball possible.  I'm not talking Blue and Gold. 

I should have clarified more clearly.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Chicos, you are yet again distorting what I say to make your own dumb argument.

That paragraph speaks *specifically* to the two year Jucos that Buzz has brought in.  Jae and Dwight were fantastic representatives of this program...and Jameel looks like he will be the third.  So, while your cute little theory might be applicable in general, it certainly isn't applicable here.

So again, the next time you want to get on your soapbox, please do not do it with my posts.

Sultan, I would politely ask you to merely go back to the previous page and read what I said...it was about JUCOs in general, not specifically to MU.  I'm glad you *specifically* brought them into the discussion, that is fine, but that is never what I was talking about.  I referenced the overall studies about JUCOs in general. 

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Sultan, I would politely ask you to merely go back to the previous page and read what I said...it was about JUCOs in general, not specifically to MU.  I'm glad you *specifically* brought them into the discussion, that is fine, but that is never what I was talking about.  I referenced the overall studies about JUCOs in general. 

You said that you "agree wholeheartedly" with what I said, which was specifically about Marquette, and then used what I said to further your point. 

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