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Canned Goods n Ammo

Wait, is this one of this "yeah, but..." kind of things?

"The Heat will never win a title."
(Heat win a title)

"Yeah, but the Heat will never win two in a row"
(Heat win 2 in a row)

"Yeah, but the Heat have the worst fans"
(every title contending team has frontrunning fans. It's the nature of the business)

"Yea, but they are the worst..."

(etc. etc.)

Golden Avalanche

Quote from: WI_inferiority_complexes on June 23, 2013, 07:44:11 PM
10 years ago the Blackhawks were 24th (out of 30) in attendance.  I've lived in the suburbs of Chicago my whole life and have never seen anything near the support the Hawks have gotten the last three years. 

I know everybody has an uncle/dad/grandpa/neighbor who has always been a die-hard fan; that does not mean that 90% of the fans wearing their Kane jerseys at the grocery store aren't on a bandwagon.

When I lived in Chicago from 2001-2008, I could never find anyone to take my Hawks season ticket if I couldn't make a game. There was simply no interest. Not little interest. Not some interest. No interest. Some games we'd be lucky to have 5,000 actual people in the seats.

Except for relatively few franchises, this is how it goes with attendance up and down through the good and bad years.

lab_warrior

Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 23, 2013, 08:16:30 PM
The old "our fan base is better than yours" is one of the lamest in sports.

+1000 to that. 

So old and stale as an "argument." 

Living in Boston, I encounter this dips***ery all the time.  Bostonians are all "bandwagon"
fans, because their teams win a lot, and they have great attendance.  Ironclad logic.


Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 23, 2013, 08:25:17 PM
Old man Wirtz (Rocky's father) nearly destroyed a once thriving franchise. No home games on TV and other backward looking policies eventually relegated the team to the scrap heap. It's not just the quality of play that's improved on W Madison in the last decade - the franchise moved into the 21st century and it's paid dividends.

And agree with this completely.  Ask Raider fans about the agony of LITERALLY
waiting for the team's owner to die so your team has the chance to improve.  That was
the mentality of Hawks fans with Wirtz.

I suppose, though, some posters' logic here is that ONLY TRUE FANS (while pounding their
chests, of course) would still shell out for tickets to subsidize Wirtz' cheap-ass, luddite, incompetent
ownership.  The fact that the Cubs sell out all the time, despite being a complete tragicomedy
of a franchise, doesn't mean they have TRUE FANS.  It means they're gullible (but loyal) idiots;
I should know since I'm one of them.

ChicosBailBonds

Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 23, 2013, 08:25:17 PM
Old man Wirtz (Rocky's father) nearly destroyed a once thriving franchise. No home games on TV and other backward looking policies eventually relegated the team to the scrap heap. It's not just the quality of play that's improved on W Madison in the last decade - the franchise moved into the 21st century and it's paid dividends.

Absolutely correct

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