35 second clock stays, but charge rule "fixed"

[MerrittsMustache]

OK, now what if you have someone coming off a pick and moving sideways and gets fouled on the jumpshot?

Believe me, you take a couple of extreme examples and it sounds easy, but it won't be.  Especially when the college game isn't plagued by a bunch of these calls, I see no need to change anything.

That's not the same thing.

[GGGG]

That's not the same thing.

Ah....so I see....

The problems emerge already.

[MerrittsMustache]

Ah....so I see....

The problems emerge already.

Nice try but coming off a screen is NOT the same as pump-faking and then jumping into a defender who's in the air.

[ChicosBailBonds]

If teams were actually working to get a shot for the entire 35 seconds I might agree with you, but in most cases it's merely a tactic to shorten the game and limit number of possessions. Some teams don't even really run their offense until the clock is winding down. Others pass up good shots early only to settle for a lousy one late. How many times do we watch a total snooze of a game that becomes exciting because the trailing team is forced to pick up the pace? College coaches tend to be control freaks - it was good for the game when total stall ball was eliminated (I assume you at least agree with this?) and it will be good when the "semi- stall" is at least shortened.

Or are they passing up good shots to try and get better shots?  Doesn't always happen, but there are certain shots you can always get.  As stated, I don't know the answer here, but if shortening would have meant more one on one stuff, less passing and generally hurried shots and sets, I'm not for it.  Whether that would actually happen is debatable.

I do agree that when total stall ball was eliminated was good for the game.  On the flip side, I've never been enamored with the NBA style with the shorter clock.  Would 30 be better than 35?  It might, or maybe not.  I don't know.....my proposal was to test it in non-conference games or have a few leagues test it in conference like they did years ago with 6 fouls.  Let's get some real data and find out.

[GGGG]

Nice try but coming off a screen is NOT the same as pump-faking and then jumping into a defender who's in the air.

No but the point is interpreting how a jump shooter jumps when shooting is something that I don't want referees doing.

[Lennys Tap]

I do agree that when total stall ball was eliminated was good for the game.  On the flip side, I've never been enamored with the NBA style with the shorter clock. 

The best college game I saw last year was the national championship game. Not coincidentally, the shot clock was a non factor and would have still been a non factor at 30 or 24. Also not coincidentally, nothing is more excruciating than watching a UW - Penn St 39-38 game, and a 49-48 MU - Georgetown game isn't that much better. In amateur wrestling you can be penalized for stalling. Make college basketball teams play basketball, and penalize those who won't - the game will get better.

[MerrittsMustache]

No but the point is interpreting how a jump shooter jumps when shooting is something that I don't want referees doing.

My point is that it's obvious when a jump shooter is simply going up for a shot and when a jump shooter is blatantly jumping into a defender in order to draw contact even though he has no chance at making the shot.

[WarriorFan]

Shorten the shot clock... Bo's Badgers would never even get a shot off if they had only 24 seconds!

[Golden Avalanche]

I'd like to see them make jump balls actual jump balls.  Wouldn't mind the 30second shot clock as I feel it'd make for more motion defense and motion offense as opposed to slowly setting up everything

This.

Nothing worse then watching Derrick, Vander, et al. tie a ball up with three seconds left on the opponent's shot clock only for alternating possession to give said opponent another 15 seconds of futility.

[WarriorInNYC]

This.

Nothing worse then watching Derrick, Vander, et al. tie a ball up with three seconds left on the opponent's shot clock only for alternating possession to give said opponent another 15 seconds of futility.

But the shot clock doesn't reset.  The opponent would still have only 3 seconds left on the shot clock.

On the reverse-side, how awful would it be to see Derrick work hard to tie up the ball with the opponent's 4 or 5 and then have to jump against that opponent for possession.

[Sunbelt15]

Personally, I have no problem with it near the basket when the player has a realistic chance of making the shot - pump fake, get the defender in the air and then go up through him. That's part of the game.

To me, the Cassell play is similar to the rule that a FT shooter cannot purposely alter his normal shooting motion in an attempt to draw a lane violation. On the perimeter, a jump shooter should not be allowed to purposely alter his normal shooting motion in an attempt to draw a foul. In other words, if a player always pauses, lowers his shoulder and leans drastically to the left on his jumper, then he can get the call on that play 

+1

[Stretchdeltsig]

If the shooter initiates the contact, in other words, shoots into the defender, it should be a non-foul. 

[RushmoreAcademy]

Another rule I'd like to see changed is the "Sam Cassell move" where a player pump fakes, gets the defender into the air and then jumps into the defender and flings the ball towards the hoop. If the defender jumps and lands on or hits the shooter in his normal shooting motion, that's obviously a foul, but if the defender is in the air and a jump-shooter goes out of his way to jump, lean or contort to initiate contact, it should be a no call.

No comment on the actual move, but Sam Cassell sure gets a lot of credit as an innovator.  Recently when the Bulls Marco Belinelli got fined from the NBA offices for hanging his arms low, simulating big balls after hitting a big shot, I heard them on the radio talking about how that was the old Sam Cassell move.   I always thought the big balls thing was the Pedro Cerrano move.