35 second clock stays, but charge rule "fixed"

[ChicosBailBonds]

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9259772/ncaa-basketball-rules-committee-approves-more-replays-bounds-shot-clock-violations

[hdog1017]

Would have liked to have seen the shot clock go down to 30.  Even the women have to get a shot off in 30 seconds. 

[GoldenZebra]

Would have liked to have seen the shot clock go down to 30.  Even the women have to get a shot off in 30 seconds. 

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[Newsdreams]

35 sec. clock stinks. Way too long,  does not reward good defense.

[ChicosBailBonds]

35 sec. clock stinks. Way too long,  does not reward good defense.

Conversely offense could get even worse by having teams chuck up shots 5 seconds earlier.  Can argue both ways

[Newsdreams]

Conversely offense could get even worse by having teams chuck up shots 5 seconds earlier.  Can argue both ways

Nope did not happen in FIBA if anything improved offense. 30 sec is way more than enough time to get a shot off. Where I live pro teams play FIBA rules and 30 sec. shot totally improved the game.

[Waryours]

Conversely offense could get even worse by having teams chuck up shots 5 seconds earlier.  Can argue both ways

Completely agree.  I'm not an NBA guy (swore off NBA when Bucks traded Ray Allen), but after watching the first two Bulls/Heat games I was amazed at how the 24 second clock impacted the game.  The ball crossed half court with 17 and it is and isolation game at that point. 

Reducing the shot clock would elimate the opportunity to swing the ball or pound it down low. 

[Newsdreams]

Completely agree.  I'm not an NBA guy (swore off NBA when Bucks traded Ray Allen), but after watching the first two Bulls/Heat games I was amazed at how the 24 second clock impacted the game.  The ball crossed half court with 17 and it is and isolation game at that point. 

Reducing the shot clock would elimate the opportunity to swing the ball or pound it down low. 

Not down to 24, but down to 30 a 25% difference. 30 sec. still rewards a good efficient offense, but does justice to a good D. Seen the change in the local pro league and 30 is the right amount of time.

[MU82]

Biggest thing here by far was block-charge call changes. Here's hoping the refs get it right in games. If so, it should add several points per game.

As a guy who has reffed as high up as high school, I can tell you that block-charge is difficult, sometimes brutally so. This tweaking should make it at least a little easier.

[Galway Eagle]

I'd like to see them make jump balls actual jump balls.  Wouldn't mind the 30second shot clock as I feel it'd make for more motion defense and motion offense as opposed to slowly setting up everything

[ChicosBailBonds]

Nope did not happen in FIBA if anything improved offense. 30 sec is way more than enough time to get a shot off. Where I live pro teams play FIBA rules and 30 sec. shot totally improved the game.

In my view the dilution of talent in the college game is already there with some fairly horrendous offensive byproducts as a result.  Asking them to rush into shots 5 seconds earlier isn't going to help that scenario.  More rushed shots, less passing, more clearouts and 1-on-1 stuff.  Just my opinion, could be totally wrong.

[willie warrior]

Would have liked to have seen the shot clock go down to 30.  Even the women have to get a shot off in 30 seconds. 

I suppose the thinking is that it will be too difficult for the men to get a shot off in 30 seconds, especially at schools like UW. etc., where a score in the mid 50's is a career day.

[MerrittsMustache]

Another rule I'd like to see changed is the "Sam Cassell move" where a player pump fakes, gets the defender into the air and then jumps into the defender and flings the ball towards the hoop. If the defender jumps and lands on or hits the shooter in his normal shooting motion, that's obviously a foul, but if the defender is in the air and a jump-shooter goes out of his way to jump, lean or contort to initiate contact, it should be a no call.

[WarriorInNYC]

I'd like to see them make jump balls actual jump balls.  Wouldn't mind the 30second shot clock as I feel it'd make for more motion defense and motion offense as opposed to slowly setting up everything

I don't think I'd like to see actual jump balls.  I think that that could not reward some players and teams for fighting for 50/50 balls.  If a PG goes in to tie up the ball with a 4 or 5, then absolutely nothing was accomplished because in almost every case, the 4 or 5 will win the jump.  If anything, now the PG is risking getting a foul called.

[Spotcheck Billy]

I'm all for this too

Another rule I'd like to see changed is the "Sam Cassell move" where a player pump fakes, gets the defender into the air and then jumps into the defender and flings the ball towards the hoop. If the defender jumps and lands on or hits the shooter in his normal shooting motion, that's obviously a foul, but if the defender is in the air and a jump-shooter goes out of his way to jump, lean or contort to initiate contact, it should be a no call.

[GGGG]

Another rule I'd like to see changed is the "Sam Cassell move" where a player pump fakes, gets the defender into the air and then jumps into the defender and flings the ball towards the hoop. If the defender jumps and lands on or hits the shooter in his normal shooting motion, that's obviously a foul, but if the defender is in the air and a jump-shooter goes out of his way to jump, lean or contort to initiate contact, it should be a no call.

Only if the defender jumps straight up.  Otherwise I think the current rule is the best one.

[bilsu]

 In addition, greater emphasis is being placed on calling fouls on defensive players who keep a hand or forearm on an opponent or use an arm bar to impede the progress of an opponent.

In a quick read I did not see this in the ESPN article, but it was in another article. I think this is the biggest rule change, if it is actually enforced. Nobody is going to be able to stop Gardner, if they enforce this rule. However, on the flip side Gardner will be toast on defense. I also see this as an anti-Louisville rule.

[Lennys Tap]

In my view the dilution of talent in the college game is already there with some fairly horrendous offensive byproducts as a result.  Asking them to rush into shots 5 seconds earlier isn't going to help that scenario.  More rushed shots, less passing, more clearouts and 1-on-1 stuff.  Just my opinion, could be totally wrong.

If teams were actually working to get a shot for the entire 35 seconds I might agree with you, but in most cases it's merely a tactic to shorten the game and limit number of possessions. Some teams don't even really run their offense until the clock is winding down. Others pass up good shots early only to settle for a lousy one late. How many times do we watch a total snooze of a game that becomes exciting because the trailing team is forced to pick up the pace? College coaches tend to be control freaks - it was good for the game when total stall ball was eliminated (I assume you at least agree with this?) and it will be good when the "semi- stall" is at least shortened.

[Chicago_inferiority_complexes]

Another rule I'd like to see changed is the "Sam Cassell move" where a player pump fakes, gets the defender into the air and then jumps into the defender and flings the ball towards the hoop. If the defender jumps and lands on or hits the shooter in his normal shooting motion, that's obviously a foul, but if the defender is in the air and a jump-shooter goes out of his way to jump, lean or contort to initiate contact, it should be a no call.

This seemed to be either a Louisville or Syracuse specialty, can't remember, from the tournament. Makes the game almost unwatchable.

[MU82]

This seemed to be either a Louisville or Syracuse specialty, can't remember, from the tournament. Makes the game almost unwatchable.

Luke Hancock did it repeatedly in the tournament. On several occasions, he had absolutely no chance of making the shot or intention of really shooting. He'd pump-fake and when defender jumped, Hancock would throw his body into the defender as he flung a wild shot toward the basket. I do not believe this is what the Rules Committee intended when they defined shooting fouls. I certainly don't blame Hancock for doing it, though. He was just taking advantage of the way rules are being interpreted and called.

[GOO]

Luke Hancock did it repeatedly in the tournament. On several occasions, he had absolutely no chance of making the shot or intention of really shooting. He'd pump-fake and when defender jumped, Hancock would throw his body into the defender as he flung a wild shot toward the basket. I do not believe this is what the Rules Committee intended when they defined shooting fouls. I certainly don't blame Hancock for doing it, though. He was just taking advantage of the way rules are being interpreted and called.

I agree, and it has bothered me for a long time.  Butler used to take advantage of this down low, a lot. 

If the offensive player jumps into the defender, I don't care if the defender is going straight up or not, the offensive player initiated the contact.  Shouldn't be a foul.  Do we need a rule change or just an instruction to the refs to not call this a foul?  Seems that the offensive player can't initiate contact where a defender is in the air (or not in the air) and get a foul call... or at least that is how I see it. 

[MerrittsMustache]

I agree, and it has bothered me for a long time.  Butler used to take advantage of this down low, a lot. 

If the offensive player jumps into the defender, I don't care if the defender is going straight up or not, the offensive player initiated the contact.  Shouldn't be a foul.  Do we need a rule change or just an instruction to the refs to not call this a foul?  Seems that the offensive player can't initiate contact where a defender is in the air (or not in the air) and get a foul call... or at least that is how I see it. 

Personally, I have no problem with it near the basket when the player has a realistic chance of making the shot - pump fake, get the defender in the air and then go up through him. That's part of the game.

To me, the Cassell play is similar to the rule that a FT shooter cannot purposely alter his normal shooting motion in an attempt to draw a lane violation. On the perimeter, a jump shooter should not be allowed to purposely alter his normal shooting motion in an attempt to draw a foul. In other words, if a player always pauses, lowers his shoulder and leans drastically to the left on his jumper, then he can get the call on that play 

[GGGG]

Personally, I have no problem with it near the basket when the player has a realistic chance of making the shot - pump fake, get the defender in the air and then go up through him. That's part of the game.

To me, the Cassell play is similar to the rule that a FT shooter cannot purposely alter his normal shooting motion in an attempt to draw a lane violation. On the perimeter, a jump shooter should not be allowed to purposely alter his normal shooting motion in an attempt to draw a foul. In other words, if a player always pauses, lowers his shoulder and leans drastically to the left on his jumper, then he can get the call on that play 

You are punishing the defender for leaving his feet.  And as soon as you bring in the "normal shooting motion" concept, you are now going to ask these overworked, overweight officials to make another judgement call that they seemingly don't have the ability to make in other circumstances.

[MerrittsMustache]

You are punishing the defender for leaving his feet.  And as soon as you bring in the "normal shooting motion" concept, you are now going to ask these overworked, overweight officials to make another judgement call that they seemingly don't have the ability to make in other circumstances.

It would be a blatantly obvious call the make, certainly easier than block/charge. Either the shooter goes up and shoots the ball or he leans sideways and jumps into the defender while throwing the ball in the general direction of the hoop.

[GGGG]

It would be a blatantly obvious call the make, certainly easier than block/charge. Either the shooter goes up and shoots the ball or he leans sideways and jumps into the defender while throwing the ball in the general direction of the hoop.

OK, now what if you have someone coming off a pick and moving sideways and gets fouled on the jumpshot?

Believe me, you take a couple of extreme examples and it sounds easy, but it won't be.  Especially when the college game isn't plagued by a bunch of these calls, I see no need to change anything.