Jae Crowder- season in review; future role w/ Mavericks

[TomW1365]

Found a few nice articles about Jae Crowder.  Year in review:

http://www.rantsports.com/nba/2013/05/09/jae-crowder-should-have-a-larger-role-for-dallas-mavericks/

Mavericks possible strategies:  http://www.thetwomangame.com/2013/05/small-tal/
http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/mavericks/tag/_/name/jae-crowder

[TomW1365]

It seems that Buzz's quest for a lineup full of switchables is exactly what the NBA has been trending towards.  If Vander is drafted this year and I expect Jamil Wilson to be drafted next year (if he can remain healthy), we can continue the MU to NBA draft pipeline for the near future.  5 years, 6 draft picks would be something special. 
Hayward
Butler
DJO/Crowder
V-Blue
Jamil Wilson

[Galway Eagle]

It seems that Buzz's quest for a lineup full of switchables is exactly what the NBA has been trending towards.  If Vander is drafted this year and I expect Jamil Wilson to be drafted next year (if he can remain healthy), we can continue the MU to NBA draft pipeline for the near future.  5 years, 6 draft picks would be something special. 
Hayward
Butler
DJO/Crowder
V-Blue
Jamil Wilson

Arguably all thanks to Wes toughing it out and making a team. 

[Wally Schroeder]

Arguably all thanks to Wes toughing it out and making a team. 

How does Wes have anything to do with the other guys getting drafted? The Wizards likely selected Hayward cause they (or Minnesota) liked his potential skill-set, not cause some guy he went to school with played well as an undrafted free agent. Same goes for Butler and the Bulls, and the others. If Blue gets drafted, it will be because of Vander Blue. Not cause of the path paved by the Marquette pipeline.

[77ncaachamps]

Wes actually plays a role in it. Not the main factor but a significant part.

The ability of an undrafted rookie to make an NBA roster, put up better numbers than drafted rookies, display a tremendous work ethic, be a great teammate and rep for the organization, and make $$$ surely rests on the will of the player and some luck.

But when the said player preaches that Marquette basketball helped make him who he is today, then people listen.

When scouts see players labeled as projects enter Marquette leave more polished and NBA ready, they take notice. Wes was an example of that.

So yeah, Wes helped attract attention to MU's program, player development, and subsequent successes.

[Markusquette]

Wes actually plays a role in it. Not the main factor but a significant part.

The ability of an undrafted rookie to make an NBA roster, put up better numbers than drafted rookies, display a tremendous work ethic, be a great teammate and rep for the organization, and make $$$ surely rests on the will of the player and some luck.

But when the said player preaches that Marquette basketball helped make him who he is today, then people listen.

When scouts see players labeled as projects enter Marquette leave more polished and NBA ready, they take notice. Wes was an example of that.

So yeah, Wes helped attract attention to MU's program, player development, and subsequent successes.

Well said.

[Wally Schroeder]

77, excellent points. I still think all those guys get drafted without Wes. They went to Marquette, not St. Norberts. His attention has been nothing but positive, but it's a Big East school. Don't think scouts/NBA execs who eat/sleep/breathe basketball needed to see Wes to hear of Marquette or investigate player development.

[Dawson Rental]

Wes actually plays a role in it. Not the main factor but a significant part.

The ability of an undrafted rookie to make an NBA roster, put up better numbers than drafted rookies, display a tremendous work ethic, be a great teammate and rep for the organization, and make $$$ surely rests on the will of the player and some luck.

But when the said player preaches that Marquette basketball helped make him who he is today, then people listen.

When scouts see players labeled as projects enter Marquette leave more polished and NBA ready, they take notice. Wes was an example of that.

So yeah, Wes helped attract attention to MU's program, player development, and subsequent successes.

I have to take issue with you saying that Wes is an example of a player coming into Marquette labeled as a project.  He was on everyone's top 100 list.  I think that TomW1365's point is that coming out of Marquette, NBA GM's didn't see enough in Wes in college to draft him.  Yet, he made a team ahead of several drafted players.  That may well have given NBA GM's the thought that MU players come to the league ready (and willing) to put in the necessary work to help a team.

[avid1010]

jae crowder had nothing to do with wes mathews...mark cuban has openly talked about the rating system they use to draft players and crowder rated very well in his analysis. 

i do think a coach can gain a reputation for producing certain types of players, and i think jimmy butler is probably a better example of what a stereotypical buzz "switchable" will be...guarding deron williams one night and labron james the next...

all that said, we're probably short changing the extremely ridiculous amount of time and effort that goes towards evaluating talent...

[4everwarriors]

Arguably all thanks to Wes toughing it out and making a team. 

Good thing Crean has all those contacts so Wes had the easier route.

[real chili 83]

Wes actually plays a role in it. Not the main factor but a significant part.

The ability of an undrafted rookie to make an NBA roster, put up better numbers than drafted rookies, display a tremendous work ethic, be a great teammate and rep for the organization, and make $$$ surely rests on the will of the player and some luck.

But when the said player preaches that Marquette basketball helped make him who he is today, then people listen.

When scouts see players labeled as projects enter Marquette leave more polished and NBA ready, they take notice. Wes was an example of that.

So yeah, Wes helped attract attention to MU's program, player development, and subsequent successes.

Very well done.

[keefe]

Good thing Crean has all those contacts so Wes had the easier route.

Actually Crean asked Mike Maddux to speak with Jerry Sloan. Since Maddux was busy one of the Harbaughs grabbed a beer with Jerry to talk about Wes. I think it was in Chico's back yard if I'm not mistaken.

[Galway Eagle]

If it weren't for Wes I have a strong feeling the some people such as Luke Harangody, Devin Ebanks, and Da'sean Butler would all have gone ahead of Lazar.  Then Jimmy's year I'd be willing to say that the toughness that began to get associated with Buzz teams/players is what drew attention from the Bulls and got Jimmy drafted particularly over better players (In my opinion at that time) such as Kyle Singler.  Then last year was due to the trend in MU players after Jerel being successful at least getting a 10 day contract, with Zar and Jimmy being drafted and Wes being pretty legit, it made Jae and DJO look better. 

[MUHoopsFan2]

If it weren't for Wes I have a strong feeling the some people such as Luke Harangody, Devin Ebanks, and Da'sean Butler would all have gone ahead of Lazar.  Then Jimmy's year I'd be willing to say that the toughness that began to get associated with Buzz teams/players is what drew attention from the Bulls and got Jimmy drafted particularly over better players (In my opinion at that time) such as Kyle Singler.  Then last year was due to the trend in MU players after Jerel being successful at least getting a 10 day contract, with Zar and Jimmy being drafted and Wes being pretty legit, it made Jae and DJO look better. 

I would say no University has amped up their reputation for turning out good tough hard-nosed and driven players then MU in all of college ball in the last 7-10 years....thanks in large part to DWade and whether you all want to admit it or not....one TOM CREAN and built on by Buzz Williams.

Look at all the guys you mentioned. What University has churned out more? Ok, some but not who or what you think. Kentucky maybe? UNC?

Not many...impressive.

[MUHoopsFan2]

77, excellent points. I still think all those guys get drafted without Wes. They went to Marquette, not St. Norberts. His attention has been nothing but positive, but it's a Big East school. Don't think scouts/NBA execs who eat/sleep/breathe basketball needed to see Wes to hear of Marquette or investigate player development.

I disagree...Wes making it big after not getting drafted and making them look like fools had an awful lot to do with the fear of not making a mistake like that again and overlooking what college he went to.

Personnel people hate to be made to look bad. And when someone takes a chance on a guy and gets something out of him that they didnt see then they will look to where that player went to school and make sure they give the next guy coming out of there a fair look.

Wesley's elevation with Portland is just important as DWade's. My guy was Dominic James.

I thought he would make an excellent Pro in the NBA. But all of them will get looks if they stick with it because of the reputation and the high profiles of Butler and Novak and Wade playing on playoff teams. 

[MUHoopsFan2]

How does Wes have anything to do with the other guys getting drafted? The Wizards likely selected Hayward cause they (or Minnesota) liked his potential skill-set, not cause some guy he went to school with played well as an undrafted free agent. Same goes for Butler and the Bulls, and the others. If Blue gets drafted, it will be because of Vander Blue. Not cause of the path paved by the Marquette pipeline.

Wrong. Scouts and talent evaulators dont think like you do in that regard. Espeically in a weak draft like this one.

They will draft Vander Blue not based on his overall game, but because of where he went to and how he did in the tournament, in that order.

But I do not think he got Buzz's blessing and left prematurely. Plus he had some run-ins early on here that will hurt him in the interview process if he does not answer them well and come off his usual indifferent deflective self that might seem as immature and uncaring.

He needs to learn how to speak to the media better. And he better have a great workout with teams if not invited to Chicago.

But he doesn't care at all really...he just wanted to leave. He is too impatient and impulsive at this stage to slow down and look at his game and work on it and listens to too many people.

But we'll see.     

[brandx]

Wrong. Scouts and talent evaulators dont think like you do in that regard. Espeically in a weak draft like this one.

They will draft Vander Blue not based on his overall game, but because of where he went to and how he did in the tournament, in that order.

But I do not think he got Buzz's blessing and left prematurely. Plus he had some run-ins early on here that will hurt him in the interview process if he does not answer them well and come off his usual indifferent deflective self that might seem as immature and uncaring.

He needs to learn how to speak to the media better. And he better have a great workout with teams if not invited to Chicago.

But he doesn't care at all really...he just wanted to leave. He is too impatient and impulsive at this stage to slow down and look at his game and work on it and listens to too many people.

But we'll see.     

Vander will be drafted first and foremost for his talent and how it projects to an NBA lineup. Secondly will be his tournament showing and then the fact he went to Marquette.

I don't want to discount the school factor - I'd take JFB over any player on the Bucks other than maybe Larry Sanders. Scouts know one thing for certain about MU players - they play hard.

As far as Vander not caring and working on his game - that is one of the most ridiculous comments I have seen here in quite some time.

[Wally Schroeder]

MUHoopsFan - IF Vander gets drafted it will be based on how his skill set projects in the NBA. It will have very little with him having gone to MU. His tournament clearly helped, he made some big plays, and showed that ice water running through his veins. But I'm not changing your mind, and until I hear from an NBA scout, you're not changing mine.

Vander is impatient, but I'm sure all his free time is being spent working on his weaknesses and preparing for the draft. I think his decision was a poor one, but I'm not privy to his family life, ect. Regardless, I'm sure we can all agree we want to hear "From Marquette, NBA team selects Vander Blue.."

[TomW1365]

MUHoopsFan - IF Vander gets drafted it will be based on how his skill set projects in the NBA. It will have very little with him having gone to MU. His tournament clearly helped, he made some big plays, and showed that ice water running through his veins. But I'm not changing your mind, and until I hear from an NBA scout, you're not changing mine.

Vander is impatient, but I'm sure all his free time is being spent working on his weaknesses and preparing for the draft. I think his decision was a poor one, but I'm not privy to his family life, ect. Regardless, I'm sure we can all agree we want to hear "From Marquette, NBA team selects Vander Blue.."

and see this article:
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=38785.0