Shot clock from 35 seconds to 30 seems to be on its way

[ATL MU Warrior]

3 point shot negates good defense.  The Warriors, under AL, would gain a lead then 'take the air out of the ball'.  the shot clock has done away with that potential, but it's demise is helped mightily by the 3 point shot.  Work your ass off defending and gain a small lead only to have it negated by a couple of 3's.  I don't like the style of teams that sit outside passing around the perimeter and launch a 3 at the shot clock buzzer.  If the reward is equal the higher percentage shot becomes more attractive.  Teams will penetrate more.  It'll start to look like real bball again.
the 3 is an ABA gimmick.  I assume they'll bring back the tutoned ball next.

Taking away the three would make the game an absolute meat grinder.  Brutal to watch.  How is a guy going to penetrate the lane when all 5 defenders are going to be camped out in there?  Makes no sense at all.

[hairy worthen]

3 point shot negates good defense.  The Warriors, under AL, would gain a lead then 'take the air out of the ball'.  the shot clock has done away with that potential, but it's demise is helped mightily by the 3 point shot.  Work your ass off defending and gain a small lead only to have it negated by a couple of 3's.  I don't like the style of teams that sit outside passing around the perimeter and launch a 3 at the shot clock buzzer.  If the reward is equal the higher percentage shot becomes more attractive.  Teams will penetrate more.  It'll start to look like real bball again.
the 3 is an ABA gimmick.  I assume they'll bring back the tutoned ball next.

Right, and that net thing is a gimmick also. Let's go back to peach baskets so it looks like real basketball again.

[MU82]

You need the 3-point rule if you have a shot clock.

Without the threat of getting burned by a 3, teams would just sit in the lane, making penetration all but impossible. They'd know that the worst that'll happen is the opponent will pass the ball around for awhile and then chuck up a long shot that's only worth 2 points. There would be little incentive to cover outside shooters, especially when playing against a team with big men and/or good penetrators. Heck, that's what a lot of teams did against us this past season because we had no real 3-point threat.

People can debate the 3-point rule as much as they want, but it isn't going anywhere. Might as well debate whether the ball should be round.

As for the clock going from 35 seconds to 30, I hope they only do something like that if they enforce hand-checking rules. I also like Bilas' suggestions to reduce charge calls.

[Benny B]

the 3 is an ABA gimmick.  I assume they'll bring back the tutoned ball next.

Wrong.  Free corn dogs is an ABA gimmick.  Wrestling a bear is an ABA gimmick.  The MegaBowl is an ABA gimmick.

The 3 is an ABA contribution.

[SqueallyDRyan]

There is no rule about being "over the back" at any level of basketball. You can have illegal contact from behind, but if you can jump up our are taller than someone you can reach over someoness head all you want.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

There is no rule about being "over the back" at any level of basketball. You can have illegal contact from behind, but if you can jump up our are taller than someone you can reach over someoness head all you want.

Correct, but how often is physical contact made in the back, shoulders, head, and arms area when you try to jump/reach over somebody from behind? Pretty often IMHO.

If a guy cleanly out jumps a guy and grabs it, good for him. But, I don't see a lot of clean plays like that. It's more like a guy putting his chest into the other guys back as he reaches over him to grab a board.

[klyrish]

Wrong.  Free corn dogs is an ABA gimmick.  Wrestling a bear is an ABA gimmick.  The MegaBowl is an ABA gimmick.

The 3 is an ABA contribution.

I choked on my coffee hahahaha

[SqueallyDRyan]

Guns, agreed - I just wasn't sure initially if that is what you meant.  A lot of people at youth basketball scream and scream when one kid is just taller and reaches over a short kid.  I'm glad you are not one of those people.

[Benny B]

I choked on my coffee hahahaha

Big East needs an ordained referee next year.  That would also be a contribution, and I bet Butler would be cool with it.

[augoman]

Wrong.  Free corn dogs is an ABA gimmick.  Wrestling a bear is an ABA gimmick.  The MegaBowl is an ABA gimmick.

The 3 is an ABA contribution.

well said Benny, I stand erected. 

I can't forget Gary Rosenberg nailing all those long balls every time a team went into a packed D/tight zone.  Anytime you hit long shots, the D must come out to play you and open the inside game.  Why should that result in a 'bonus' point?